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08-01-2014, 09:30 AM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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LT1 Starter Issues
Preface, I have no idea if the starter is good. 
That being said, car starts fine when its cold, but after a drive, trying to start car results in a dead battery like situation. Give it 10-15 minutes and car will crank over no problem.
Battery is in trunk, 1-0 wire from it to starter, ground strap from block to chassis, battery has good ground to chassis in trunk.
Seems to be a heat soak issue to me, so has anyone had any luck with heat shields or the wrap for starters?
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08-01-2014, 10:01 AM
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do you have headers? if yes then try the wrap, the only problem i had with wrapping the headers was rust. but that was after a few years and i only painted them. if you can get a heat shield in there to cover the starter, i would go that route.
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08-01-2014, 10:24 AM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Turbo application, so it is very safe to assume everything under the hood cooks.
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08-01-2014, 10:40 AM
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Take it apart, rebuild.
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08-01-2014, 11:58 AM
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How big are those ground straps?
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08-01-2014, 01:45 PM
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Heat soaked starter, pic up a starter wrap
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08-01-2014, 02:29 PM
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Picture of how the starter looks? Def sounds heat soaked.... Do you have a lt4 starter? Or stock lt1 starter?
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08-01-2014, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
Take it apart, rebuild.
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Thats teh plan for the one I pulled out, gonna see if I can source a rebuild kit
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
How big are those ground straps?
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1-0 from battery to a ground down and through bolted chassis ground.
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Originally Posted by Dudbird113
Heat soaked starter, pic up a starter wrap
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Perhaps, gonna look at what the local Pep boys has to offer.
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Originally Posted by ThoR294
Picture of how the starter looks? Def sounds heat soaked.... Do you have a lt4 starter? Or stock lt1 starter?
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Stock LT1 unit.
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Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-01-2014, 03:08 PM
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Ask my buddy mike at the speed shop, hed know
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08-01-2014, 03:31 PM
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What size is the ground to the block? I've seen guys have to run a ground direct from battery to the trans or engine because of starting issues.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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08-01-2014, 03:34 PM
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What size is the ground to the block? I've seen guys have to run a ground direct from battery to the trans or engine because of starting issues.
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Sorry, left that out. Its a 1 inch wide braided strap from head to chassis. I am also on solid motor mounts so it should all be decent grounds.
I will try a jumper from block to chassis if it does it again.
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-01-2014, 04:01 PM
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I had a similar issue with an old iroc and my old 93 LT1 TA, I ended up bypassing the solenoid and running a ford style remote starter solenoid mounted up top. Fine after that.
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08-01-2014, 05:42 PM
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You can get a vette style lt4 starter... From auto zone. Its gear reduction so its more powerful and you can use your core lol. I did it with mine. Not sure if that will fix your issue though.
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08-01-2014, 09:55 PM
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So, swapped in the spare starter I had and it shrieked, started it. But, it also suffered from heat soak.
Decided to pull apart the stock starter I had and other than making a mess, wow these things are simple. Cleaned brushes and commutator with some sandpiper.
This was the end result.
Seems to crank over much faster, gonna try and heat soak it tmmr for some tests.
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-01-2014, 10:24 PM
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Hope it works.
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08-02-2014, 09:06 AM
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Sweet, no creds in convincing you to pull it apart.
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08-02-2014, 10:26 AM
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Damn that thing is right next to that nice hot pipe. Kudos on the rebuild! They are simple.
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2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Lol
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08-06-2014, 11:30 AM
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Sweet, no creds in convincing you to pull it apart.
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Creds were given via text good sir. But yes, thanks to your prodding, starter was taken apart.
That being said, I need a starter solenoid I think and I cannot source one for the life of me. Any advice?
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Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-06-2014, 11:57 AM
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odd, i don't see one listed on rock auto. but there is for my 93 k1500 which is a similar. and the solenoids are like $40.
try http://www.dbelectrical.com/. Call them.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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08-06-2014, 12:23 PM
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aren't they part of the starter?
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2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
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08-06-2014, 04:20 PM
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Serviceable item, but nowadays with little starters its cheaper to buy a reman vs rebuild price.
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08-06-2014, 09:17 PM
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08-06-2014, 10:21 PM
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I bought a solenoid by itself a while back, It was 43 bucks (for an ls6 cts-v)
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Last edited by V; 08-06-2014 at 10:21 PM.
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04-13-2016, 02:46 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Looks like the starter is acting up again.
I have a chance to buy a LT1 starter for $125 or do I just buy a reman LT1 starter for $50 and roll the dice on how long it will last.
As of now, cannot find a single rebuild kit for the starter.
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