Profiling the Muslims do you agree Y/N

[johnjzjz]

Please read this and reflect!


The paper stated today that some Muslim doctor is
saying we are profiling him because he has been checked
three times while getting on an airplane.


A Letter From An American Airlines Pilot. This well
spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says
what is in his heart beautifully....read, absorb and pass
on....it's time to get answers from those who claim their
terrorist members do not represent them why are their
leaders not LOUDLY AND FIERCELY AND CONTINUOUSLY
condemning their visible murderous brethren.


YOU WORRY ME!
By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John
Maniscalco


"I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you
worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the
streets of this country that I love, that your color and
culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape
we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore.
I notice you, and it worries me.


I notice you because I can't help it anymore.
People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have
been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our
friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully
understand their grievances and hate but I know that
nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.


On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked
four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of
women in front of children and brutally stabbed to dea th
others. They took control of those planes and crashed
them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers,
loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best
friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and
children's mothers.


The Palestinians Celebrated, The Iraqis were
overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So I notice you
now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has
destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your
help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country
and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know
how to tell the difference between you,and the
Arab/Muslim terrorist.


How do I differentiate between the true
Arab/Muslim-Americans and the Arab/Muslims in our
communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our
parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection
of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that
will slaughter these same good neighbors and children? The
events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my
responsibility to determine which of you embraces our
great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its
different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for
every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.


I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a
right to know whether or not you love America. Do you
pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it
in front of your house, or on your car?




Do you pray in your many daily prayers that
Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and
prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in
one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom
that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for
by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who
gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to
preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice?




Do you love America ? If this is your commitment, then I
need YOU to start letting ME know about it.


Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be
flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your
faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community
and as a religion to protect the United States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for
the death of the innocent because I worry about who you
regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of
condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry
about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in
any more sympathy... I am only interested in action.
What will you do for America - our great country -- at
this time of crisis, at this time of war?


I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN
flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah
Bless America " I want to see young Arab/Muslim men
enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of
money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering
and to this nation as a whole. The FBI has a list of over
400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack.
Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim
communities. You know them. You know where theyare.


Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen
little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I
have seen an already closed and secretive community close
even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You
have posted armed security guards at your facilities.


You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed
for protection from reprisals.


The very few Arab/Muslim representativ es that
HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and
equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure
that the United States proves who was responsible before
taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting
their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them
in the United States and abroad than they did with
supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like
Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.


If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance
and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and
verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim
leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in
the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders"
are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and
intolerance?


It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if
large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the
teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a
degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been
demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose
structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death,
and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the
prisons around the world. A form wh ose members (some as
young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in
and week out, year after year, marching in the streets
around the world, burning effigies of our presidents,
burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the
air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful
religion, only to take up arms against the grea t United
States of America, the country of their birth. A form
whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members
refuse to show their faces at airport security
checkpoints, in the name of Islam.


Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because
our women proudly show their faces in public rather than
cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow
Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or
celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate
us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY FRIENDLY
CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that thinks and
acts like most Americans.


And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then
why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take
our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and
stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you
to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit
where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to
take your religion, your friends, and your family back to
your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER
give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your
twisted, violent, intolerant religion.


We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11,
or any others for that matter, to take away that which is
so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest
constitution in the world. I want to know where every
Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my
right and the right of every true citizen of this country
to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands
of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very
constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am
pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my
brother, my neighbor, my friend, As a fellow American.
But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding
your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU
stand." "Until then you worry me"

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/worryme.htm

- Justin

[Untamed]

Some of that enmity from foreign groups is spawned from our own foreign policy - and the way in which we enforce it. Some of it is seen in the news, while much of it, I can only imagine, is unseen and perhaps strong-armed and offensive to those whom we traffic with.

There's a price to pay when you're king of the hill - you gotta keep knocking people off to stay up there. Every now and then though, we'll get punched back. That's what we're feeling now. It would be too easy to simply stop enforcing the policies and desires that our government deems necessary to maintain, or even improve, the lifestyle of Americans. But simply sitting back and accepting others as equals, or even dominants, isn't in our nature. So we continue to struggle to be number 1 in the world.

To answer the original question, you first have to put it in context with the above. Is it morally right to single out one ethnic group and profile them? Is it practical? What would we gain other than the sanctioned separation of a race as we have done in the past?

In my opinion, overt profiling isn't the answer. However, law enforcement groups and the intelligence community should be supported by the government and people to use methods and technology that allows them to do their jobs without hampering the lifestyle and freedoms enjoyed by US citizens. Profiling does not have to be a public concern - but it may be a consequence of good police work. If law enforcement personnel keep their eyes on suspicious people, is it really profiling, or just being vigilant?

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/worryme.htm

- Justin

status says undetermined... it may or may not be real, but i think regardless it is beautifully written. its actually something i have to think about a little more before i decide how much and what i agree with. so ill get back to you on my opinions on it.

[Tru2Chevy]

Break the chain has a letter from American Airlines that states this pilot flies for them, but he didn't write it.


I can see where the author is coming from with his views, because a lot of the things he says are true.

Personally I don't fear for my life every time I see an Arab person walking down the street (unless it's Jake - he's a scary mofo ), but I'm sure there are people who do. Regardless of the way the rest of the Arab population acts, it's not right to group them with the radicals who want all Americans to die.

Just because they don't profess their love for our country every time they leave their home doesn't mean they have any less right to be here than others.

Just for an example, (not singling Italians out for any reason) I see a lot of cars around my town that have those small 3 bar Italian flag reflectors stuck on their rear bumpers or license plate brackets, but I haven't seen one of them also have an American flag sticker on their back window, or anywhere else. Does this mean that we should be suspicious of them because they are displaying their pride for their country of origin and not the country that they live in?

- Justin

[79CamaroDiva]

i think its great for people to have pride in where they come from.. lots of people, not just the italians that justin mentioned, put their nationality's flag somewhere on their car, house, whatever. and i dont believe that we need to make arab americans show their pride or whatever, because not all other americans need to do that to be looked at without prejudice. thats why i said i can see where he's coming from but dont know how if eel on it. i wouldnt want to treat anyone who is just like me any different just because of their heritage. its a very touchy subject.

[firehawk1120]

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

That's pretty ignorant

[qwikz28]

i'll reserve my comments for now since my views are slightly biased. although i will admit that i kinda agree with firehawkguy. i do realize that the terrorists were all arab and i would completely understand if they let john smith and his family go in front of me and stopped me to search me, i dont care for political correctness, they are not fooling me by searching a little old lady and me at the same time. i know what they really want. i just wish they would use better judgement then stopping a family of a father, mother, and kids that are arab. what terrorist would bring their family along? its just common sense!

...i say that cause my family was late for a flight after 9-11 and we almost missed it cause they wanted to detain us for some reason and it was just outlandish that they would think a whole family would do something like that. oh yeah and i think one of the terrorists had a similar last name then mine so i can kinda see why but still...

[maroman88]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

I 100% agree with this man!!!! you could not have said it any better. if you have nothing to hide then who cares, its for your saftey to, you live here you fly on air planes. tough cookies if you get searched

[Savage_Messiah]

"innocent until proven guilty" no longer applies

[maroman88]

yea ur innocent until they find **** on you, if not then u go on your merry way.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by maroman88

yea ur innocent until they find **** on you, if not then u go on your merry way.

and why should some p.o.s. TSA guy waste my time? i laughed every time one of them tryed to stop me Daytona, only once did one got pissed and came after me and actually tryed to yell at me and tell me what i had to do. i told him to **** off and was on my way. Same applies to every airport security jackass out there, but then again i dont stand in lines 90% of the time. yes im that special.

[ryanfx]

I'm sorry savage but i'm going to have to disagree with you. If the airlines, or police, or whoever the enforcement is at the time can take 5 extra minutes of someone's time to keep thousands safe, why wouldn't you? If they were to have been profiling during 9/11, there would have been less of a chance the whole ordeal would have happened.

basically:

- It is unfair to innocient citizens who happen to share the same nationality as common terrorists.
-It is unfair for them to undergo worse treatment than others solely based on their apearance.

however:
-Statistics do not lie, and when enforcement is dealing with 100,000's of people daily, you can't always "play fair"
-It is not fair to the friends and families of those who are lost or injured should a bad event occur.
-If Polish people suddenly became threatening to America, I wouldn't have a care in the world about being held an extra 5 minutes or even hour for one reason or another. If stopping all Polish people helped save thousands of lives, I would be grateful that officials were being analytical enough to realize this, and stop me.

I am not racist, however I do have eyes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the common problems in the world.

[Untamed]

Originally Posted by ryanfx

If they were to have been profiling during 9/11, there would have been less of a chance the whole ordeal would have happened.

Profiling, and good security practices, are two different things. You can have one without the other.

Regardless of whether agencies should be allowed to overtly profile or not, effective security measures need to be in place. Hiring some overweight, under educated, under paid person off the street, to act as security, is a joke. Instead of spending millions on other crap, spend the money on hiring those folks who get paid to actually give a ****. The TSA people at the airports are a joke.

[johnjzjz]

it is a shame one of my brothers is a pilot with AA and snopes might have talked to him, ( Lets say they did ) and he as all pilots have to be very wise what they say and to who, these days the left has an agenda and you become a target if for some reason you do not see it their way -- your job as a pilot is over -- QUOTES -- That's pretty ignorant --- and ---"innocent until proven guilty" no longer applies --- you don't get it and never will its a waste of time for any normal thinking individual to even discuss it with you -- or you could state a real reason you do not agree with want he said -- poll should prove who is and who is not on the ball so to speak -- jz

[Ian]

I was gonna write a long thought out response, but I'm not gonna bother. it would be pointless to say the least.

[johnjzjz]

Originally Posted by Ian

I was gonna write a long thought out response, but I'm not gonna bother. it would be pointless to say the least.

now that is a shame you always have a good thought -- jz

[BonzoHansen]

I like ice cream.

[j0n]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

I usually consider you a d-bag...but i agree with you 100%

btw for some reason i've been selected to get randomly patted down on every flight i've taken since 9/11(at least 5 flights) and each time im happy to see that they're taking precautions; never pissed that instead of sitting near the terminal for 2 minutes im instead standing...big freakin deal

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Agree with profiling. If italians had done something disastrous, then I wouldn't mind being stopped. Not that I fly often anyway. If only a certain group are the problem, then....

[Teds89IROC]

I agree with Gene and everyone else that feels the same. A lot of this "profiling" is based on statistical information, if statistically a certain group showed a history of commiting crimes or terrorising, then obviously the chances of that group commiting the crime is going to be greater then another group. It's all precaution and if you're innocent, then why do you care. Be mad at the scumbags that give your heritage/race/whatever the bad rep

[Ian]

so because possibly 5% of the population of muslims are radicals (at best!) that gives us the right to assume that every single one of them is a terrorist? how about we dont let more than one black person on a plane because black on black violence is a much higher percentage than radical muslims vs non-radical muslims.

[Teds89IROC]

anyone could be part of that 5% and we investigate the ones that fit the description best as well as other random people, I dont see the problem in taking that precaution. and the issue has othing to do with radical muslim vs muslim crime, it has to do with radical muslims trying to terrorize our country.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Teds89IROC

anyone could be part of that 5% and we investigate the ones that fit the description best as well as other random people, I dont see the problem in taking that precaution. and the issue has othing to do with radical muslim vs muslim crime, it has to do with radical muslims trying to terrorize our country.

riiiiight. so timothy mcveigh was a muslim and wanted to end all of western civilization. I stand by my point. there is no such thing as a stereotypical terroroist and there never will be. If someone like jake has to get searched, why wouldn't I get searched? I am just as capable, if not more capable, at carrying out a terrorist attack.

and for a secong time (other time was in another post a while back)...this country was founded on a terrorist act......boston tea party. sometimes terrorism is the only way to get through to some people. granted, I dont like it at all and do not condone it whatsoever, but it took an act of terror to forge our country.