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04-10-2019, 11:21 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Rear swap question
As some may know, i picked up a rear for my car last fall.
The rear itself is out of a 3 channel car, so it is set up for a 3 channel system. My car is a 4 channel car. Now other than traction control and ABS, which my war wagon does not have, is there anything else i should worry about ?
I know the 4 channel has reluctor wheels at the axle ends and the 3 channel has a speed sensor at the pumpkin. Im hoping those are just for traction control nonsense and for reading vehicle speed, which i don't think they are.
Is there any other differences? I feel like there is only 1 brake line running to the front instead of 2, can someone verify
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-10-2019, 12:31 PM
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VSS is on transmission. dont think there are any other differences.
my car is 3 channel and i do have only 1 line running to rear. but why would that matter? your lines are already there no?
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04-10-2019, 12:47 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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The 4 channel will have two feed lines to it, whereas the 3 channel only had one.
So T the two lines, or delete one. IDK how you setup your prop valve
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04-10-2019, 01:19 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
The 4 channel will have two feed lines to it, whereas the 3 channel only had one.
So T the two lines, or delete one. IDK how you setup your prop valve
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prop valve has single line coming out, the T right at the frame rail into the 2 lines.
Feel like running single line from prop, to a T, then from a T at the rear back into a single line is asking for trouble.
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-10-2019, 02:10 PM
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w/o ABS just run a single line from the prop valve back to a T at the rear.
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04-10-2019, 04:53 PM
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Just run a single line from prop valve to a single hose that bolts to the rear. The single hose will have a T integrated into it to feed the left and right hoses for the rear calipers.
You can get away with reusing one of your current metal lines if you feel like it/know a thing or two/not how you stand by your car/'Murica
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04-11-2019, 04:51 AM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
prop valve has single line coming out, the T right at the frame rail into the 2 lines.
Feel like running single line from prop, to a T, then from a T at the rear back into a single line is asking for trouble.
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Yes.
Just run one line as stated above. The rear should have a T that bolts to the housing.
Don't over think this brah.
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04-11-2019, 06:42 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Rear does have a T on it, but coming out of that T is one of these connections.
Normal?
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-11-2019, 07:06 AM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Ya there should be a bracket on the car side that it slides into and then is locked down for the hard line to attach to.
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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04-11-2019, 10:46 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Ya there should be a bracket on the car side that it slides into and then is locked down for the hard line to attach to.
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Can i just run a braided line from valve directly to line on rear? Or are braided brake lines that long not a thing
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-11-2019, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
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Can i just run a braided line from valve directly to line on rear? Or are braided brake lines that long not a thing
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not a thing
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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04-11-2019, 04:32 PM
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That hose should fit one of the factory mounts you currently have. I know they have different sized fittings on the hard lines, I can't recall if the hoses were different externally. One of your factory hard lines should fit that hose.
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04-12-2019, 08:29 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Smash sent me a pic yesterday that helped me visualize without going under the car.
Im gunna end up grabbing another set of the compression fittings and just replacing the T upfront to a straight threw to one line.
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-12-2019, 09:49 AM
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no compression fittings on brake lines
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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04-12-2019, 11:45 AM
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Double flare that ****, or buy a shoot.
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04-12-2019, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
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no compression fittings on brake lines
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yeah do not do that please lol
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04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
no compression fittings on brake lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDSheds_SS
Double flare that ****, or buy a shoot.
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Originally Posted by ThoR294
yeah do not do that please lol
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wait were were you guys when all this happened.
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-12-2019, 03:49 PM
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clearly we didn't see that lol
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Lol
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04-12-2019, 04:15 PM
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04-12-2019, 04:27 PM
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Just means he is gonna have a chute to slow him down.
'merica mobile doesn't need no stinkin brakes
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04-12-2019, 05:02 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Sooooo brake lines should be placed on order?
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-12-2019, 05:39 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
Sooooo brake lines should be placed on order?
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Just run new lines. Buy a roll and get to work
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04-12-2019, 07:02 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Sigh.
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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04-12-2019, 07:10 PM
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yea man, no way you should be using compression fittings on brake lines. flares only ... bubble flare or double inverted flares. I like the ni-cop nickle-copper line. easy to flare. easy to bend. I just ran nice ni-cop lines on the new 12 bolt rear. I will be doing the remainder of the car with the nickle copper next year from the master to the adjustable wilwood prop-valve that is under the rear drivers side seat.
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04-12-2019, 07:25 PM
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I’ll feel like I’d rather sell the car than flare brake lines
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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