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View Poll Results: Which Clutch?
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Spec Stage 2
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03-10-2016, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
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clutch opinions...think it might be time
Swapped my rear in the winter to a 9" , same time swapped the master with a dorman master. car drives great on the street. get to e-town last night to run and kept getting locked out of 2-3-4 under full throttle.
off the track car drives normal...
so obviously 1 issue is hydrolics again, the dorman sucks for what im trying to do and I should swap to the tick master. , the slave is possibly failing , clutch is starting to go.
which leaves me at these choices :
-monster stage 2
-monster stage 3 (which is actually cheaper than stage 2)
-Spec stage 2
Should I do the aluminum flywheel or steel flywheel ? lighter or regular weight ? 28lb v 18lb
Should I just start with the Master and take it from there or should I just do everything at once? I really didn't wanna dumb cash like this but I wanna race this season.
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03-10-2016, 09:06 PM
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Stalker
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,078
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i hate spec, I suggest LS7
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03-10-2016, 09:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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Originally Posted by V
i hate spec, I suggest LS7
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idk i had problems with my ls7 clutch when i had my z06... i launch at like 6k at the track
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03-10-2016, 10:19 PM
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Stalker
Join Date: Aug 2004
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In my '01 SS,
@10k I spun the splines inside my oem "ls6" clutch. Installed a shiny new spec stage 3.
Chatter was horrible all the time. The Spec would cause the pedal to hang up and not come back, allowing for me to over-rev it not in gear. When it came out, the pressure plate was junk, marks and hot spots all over it, the disc, and flywheel.
So when I did the motor swap(425rwhp), I installed a Textralia clutch. It was perfect however I don't think they are available anymore. Was from Australia.
I ran stock, non-drilled master and a stock slave. Performed great!
However, I did not launch at that high of an rpm, lol, nor did I ever run drag radials since I had a stock rear.
In my 05 CTS-V, I installed the LS7 clutch after the dual-mass pos flywheel tilted. I drove that car pretty hard and it never gave me any issues, and its quite a bit heavier than an f-body.
Last edited by V; 03-10-2016 at 10:22 PM.
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03-11-2016, 10:08 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jim Thorpe PA
Posts: 2,133
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I hated my monster stage 3. McLeod twin disk....get that.
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01 SS 383 stroker, Magnum F, 9in.
86 Trans-Am 355 t56
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03-11-2016, 01:43 PM
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11 second club / Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: West Berlin, NJ
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Mccleod ... JSPerformance is a dealer.
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2001 Trans Am WS6 •SLP Loudmouth II •UMI Suspension •12.857 @ 109.57
1996 Trans Am WS6 •Pacesetter Longtubes •Strange 12 Bolt •Spohn Suspension •11.152 @ 123.85
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03-11-2016, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Brunswick
Posts: 517
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McLeod or LS7
Had two Monster clutches come apart on me, one with less than 1k miles and nothing over 3k rpms cause engine was on break in, and another one after 8k miles and no drag radials. springs on the hub were broken.
Put a buddy's used ls7 in after that and beat 10 shades of ***** out of it with 0 issues before upgrading to a Mantic Twin
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03-11-2016, 06:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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I won't do the monster, but def not doing LS7 clutch. Looking at the spec 2+ and 3. Im not sure how i feel about mcleod. and I dont want to do a twin disk
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03-11-2016, 06:39 PM
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11 second club / Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: West Berlin, NJ
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I would never do a spec again, but its your car.
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2001 Trans Am WS6 •SLP Loudmouth II •UMI Suspension •12.857 @ 109.57
1996 Trans Am WS6 •Pacesetter Longtubes •Strange 12 Bolt •Spohn Suspension •11.152 @ 123.85
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03-12-2016, 09:20 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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I am most 99.9 going with the spec 3 because thats what my boy/tuner dave@efx uses exclusively... he's had tons of seat time with those so I trust his opinion.
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03-12-2016, 09:25 AM
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Stalker
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Ok, perhaps they have gotten better since I used one, because that was almost 14 years ago, lol, and things do change.
Let us know how it works out. Eventually I'm doing a motor/T56 swap into my GTA and I'll be looking for a clutch to hold 505+ flywheel hp.
Last edited by V; 03-12-2016 at 09:26 AM.
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03-12-2016, 10:55 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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Im so pissed because I hate when things don't make sense...
Just took my car out... line lock burnout, launch at 5200 , bang 1-4 at redline no prob... meanwhile at the track couldnt get in gear
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03-12-2016, 01:13 PM
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Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
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Welcome to drag racing....
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03-12-2016, 08:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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ya i know its all part of the game but to b honest... i hate nothing more than having the car down during track season...
Wanted to race tomorrow at street wars but I couldnt even run a solid ****** time to bracket tomorrow lmao...
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03-13-2016, 11:08 AM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Whitehouse Station
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Spec sucks
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2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
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03-14-2016, 12:20 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Brunswick
Posts: 517
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Tick Master Cylinder. Probably getting the typical crap gm hydraulic issues
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03-14-2016, 06:24 PM
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13 Second Club / Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ
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JSPerf built me a custom clutch after I burned through a Spec 3i. The Spec just couldn't hold the power. You would be remiss to buy a clutch without first talking to Josh. He's a sponsor and he's the real deal when it comes to drivetrains.
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03-14-2016, 07:14 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 692
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I had my boy Dave@efx put together a package for me...
-spec stage 3 6 puck
-spec slave cylinder
-spec speed bleeder
-spec steel flywheel
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03-15-2016, 02:36 PM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
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well we all told you no spec... lol. my stage 2 chattered and smelled, and burned up under stock power. my stage 1 is just as bad. I can't wait to replace it.
stage 2 under stock lt1 power.
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Lol
Last edited by ThoR294; 03-15-2016 at 02:43 PM.
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03-15-2016, 06:54 PM
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NJFBOA Supporting Sponsor
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lindenwold, NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ThoR294
well we all told you no spec... lol. my stage 2 chattered and smelled, and burned up under stock power. my stage 1 is just as bad. I can't wait to replace it.
stage 2 under stock lt1 power.
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Not to be that guy, but was the slave shimmed correctly?
Last edited by Dave@EFX; 03-15-2016 at 06:55 PM.
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03-15-2016, 07:06 PM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
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Originally Posted by Dave@EFX
Not to be that guy, but was the slave shimmed correctly?
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LT1s don't have shims, as we have pull style. I asked spec if I needed to do anything special and they said no.
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Lol
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03-15-2016, 07:10 PM
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NJFBOA Supporting Sponsor
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ThoR294
LT1s don't have shims, as we have pull style. I asked spec if I needed to do anything special and they said no.
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Odd, I can't say I've honestly had any problems with these Spec units. Would it slip when making a pass?
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03-15-2016, 07:37 PM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
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Nope it grips really good. It just hates street driving. I figured the stage 2 was over kill so I went with the 1. Same thing. Any parking lot maneuvers and it chatters and smells
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Lol
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03-15-2016, 07:48 PM
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NJFBOA Supporting Sponsor
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ThoR294
Nope it grips really good. It just hates street driving. I figured the stage 2 was over kill so I went with the 1. Same thing. Any parking lot maneuvers and it chatters and smells
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I tell all my customers that their is a fine line between performance and comfort. Some sacrifices must be made to get an ET and ET must be sacrificed to get comfort.
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