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01-15-2013, 01:53 AM
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Is a stock 4th gen F body quicker than a 1st gen F body?
Wondering what would win a quarter mile race, a 350 from 1967,68, 69? Or the computer technology of an LT1 or LS1?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 02:17 AM
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Google wins every time. By a large margin
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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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01-15-2013, 06:23 AM
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LS1.
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01-15-2013, 08:13 AM
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Not even a race, ls1 has it all day long.
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01-15-2013, 08:40 AM
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Idk. You could get a 350 w 375 hp no?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 08:41 AM
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Google mike? Did I miss somethin lol?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 08:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy
Wondering what would win a quarter mile race, a 350 from 1967,68, 69? Or the computer technology of an LT1 or LS1?
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LS 4th gen wins. Decent tires on BBC car and the margin all but disappears.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-15-2013, 08:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy
Idk. You could get a 350 w 375 hp no?
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No!
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01-15-2013, 08:55 AM
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What about a 375 hp 350 in a 1st gen? That's an extra 100 ponies. I say hp is hp
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 08:55 AM
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It was an option
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 08:56 AM
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At least I'm pretty sure It was. I mean, i wasnt their, but Ive read it was an optoon in my camaro books.
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 08:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy
What about a 375 hp 350 in a 1st gen? That's an extra 100 ponies. I say hp is hp
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he just told you it didn't exist. really?
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1967 1968 1969
late early late
Base L6
L26 230ci/140HP L6 1BC 20,643 22,322 17,588
Optional L6
L22 250ci/155HP L6 1BC 38,165 28,647 18,660
Base non-SS V8
LF7 327ci/210HP V8 2BC 102,409 124,870 44,746
L14 307ci/200HP V8 2BC 68,487
Optional higher hp non-SS V8
L30 327ci/275HP V8 4BC 25,287 21,686
LM1 350ci/255HP V8 4BC 10,406
L65 350ci/250HP V8 2BC 26,898
SS models
L48 350ci/295HP* V8 4BC 29,270 12,496 22,339
L35 396ci/325HP V8 4BC 4,003 10,773 6,752
L34 396ci/350HP V8 4BC 2,579 2,018
L78 396ci/375HP V8 4BC 1,138 4,575 4,889
L78/L89 396ci/375HP V8 4BC** 272 311
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Z28 302ci/290HP V8 4BC 602 7,199 20,302
COPO models
L72 427ci/425HP V8 4BC# 800-1000 est
ZL1 427ci/430HP V8 4BC## 69
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* rated 300HP in 1969
** Al head option
# COPO 9561, cast-iron
## COPO 9560, Al block/heads
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml
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Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-15-2013, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy
I say hp is hp
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You'd be wrong...gross vs. net!
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01-15-2013, 09:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
he just told you it didn't exist. really?
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1967 1968 1969
late early late
Base L6
L26 230ci/140HP L6 1BC 20,643 22,322 17,588
Optional L6
L22 250ci/155HP L6 1BC 38,165 28,647 18,660
Base non-SS V8
LF7 327ci/210HP V8 2BC 102,409 124,870 44,746
L14 307ci/200HP V8 2BC 68,487
Optional higher hp non-SS V8
L30 327ci/275HP V8 4BC 25,287 21,686
LM1 350ci/255HP V8 4BC 10,406
L65 350ci/250HP V8 2BC 26,898
SS models
L48 350ci/295HP* V8 4BC 29,270 12,496 22,339
L35 396ci/325HP V8 4BC 4,003 10,773 6,752
L34 396ci/350HP V8 4BC 2,579 2,018
L78 396ci/375HP V8 4BC 1,138 4,575 4,889
L78/L89 396ci/375HP V8 4BC** 272 311
Z28
Z28 302ci/290HP V8 4BC 602 7,199 20,302
COPO models
L72 427ci/425HP V8 4BC# 800-1000 est
ZL1 427ci/430HP V8 4BC## 69
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* rated 300HP in 1969
** Al head option
# COPO 9561, cast-iron
## COPO 9560, Al block/heads
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I guess my "NO!" wasn't sufficent for him. You put way more effort than I would have, thanks! 
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01-15-2013, 09:13 AM
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he seems to like being wrong.
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Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-15-2013, 09:15 AM
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It is sufficient,lol I just thought they did. How do you post the stats so quickly?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 09:17 AM
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Would you pay all that money for those cars?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy
It is sufficient,lol I just thought they did. How do you post the stats so quickly?
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The information is available on the internet. Pretty easy to search.
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Would you pay all that money for those cars?
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If I had buckets of money, I would love to have a few nice, rare examples of 60's/70's muscle cars in my collection.
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01-15-2013, 09:22 AM
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Me too. I'd want a 69 rs/ss big block with all the performance options I can swallow, lol yellow with the black
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 09:23 AM
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Would you pay all that money for those cars?
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People do or they wouldn't sell at those prices. I'd certainly rather have a 70 Chevelle SS BBC than any 4th gen. And very clean 'drivers' start at $40,000 and quickly rise from there. And it's not all about raw performance numbers.
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Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-15-2013, 09:23 AM
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350 would be blown out of the water by almost a full second. Same with the Z/28.
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01-15-2013, 09:30 AM
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I'd love any 68,69,70 chevelle bb as well. I grew up dreaming of owning one. Kid in school had his dad get him one. A 68 w a 396. His dad owned a body shop. He was lucky. Didn't appreciate it and sold it. Thus was 1990. Now he' kicking himself, cause it was an original 396 car. I would've went to the grave in that car.
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 09:51 AM
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Thanks for all ur knowledge. It's greatly appreciated. You guys are fun to chat with and I enjoy learning from those who were their.
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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01-15-2013, 09:56 AM
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No problem!
Performance for some of the cars was great, but not for most. Also keep in mind the gross vs. net hp stuff.
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Yeah bill, I'm not gettin.g what you mean there. Can you please explain? I k ow the industry started to measure the hp at the wheels instead of the crank. Is that what you mean?
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2002 N.H.R.A. Edition. M6 Full SLP exhaust, heads, cam, intake,maf, k&n filter, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, to much to list
1999 Z28 A4 upgraded brakes, cat back, computrr tune, Vette wheels. Bunch of little stuff
1994. Z28 A4 Full exhaust including SLP Long tubes, 3" ORY pipe, 3 in cat back, CAI, chip, maf,BMR A Arms, Panhard rod, torque arm,. Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, transmission more, including street shift kit.
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