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09-30-2015, 07:56 PM
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1 of 117 Buick GN
Anyone ever seen one of these? 1986 Buick Le Sabre Grand National. Only 117 of these made and I have one. 25k miles and still smells like a new car. image.jpg. Any GN guys on here that know what this is worth?
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09-30-2015, 08:04 PM
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There are a few GN/Buick guys here. Grazi & NJTorque are the first two to come to mind. I think V may have stuck his toes in the water at some point as well
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10-01-2015, 08:53 AM
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I would suggest seeing what the folks at www.turbobuick.com think. It is a rare beast for sure, I have only ever read about them.
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10-01-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MDSheds_SS
Anyone ever seen one of these? 1986 Buick Le Sabre Grand National. Only 117 of these made and I have one. 25k miles and still smells like a new car. Attachment 8284. Any GN guys on here that know what this is worth? |
I've def heard of them but I'm pretty sure they aren't worth any real money.
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10-01-2015, 03:58 PM
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Some prototype LeSabre Grand Nationals were rumored to have been turbocharged but kept destroying the FWD THM440-T4 transmissions so production vehicles were released to the dealers in normally aspirated versions. Buick planned to spend it’s research and development money on other projects and the LeSabre Grand National was toast.
The LeSabre Grand National (LGN for short) is among the rarest of all Buicks ever made, with production numbers varying between 112 and 117 units. It was only available in black with gray interior, though one red one managed to get built. The WE2 Grand National Option Package listed for $1,237. These cars were primarily sold in the Atlanta and Jacksonville regions.
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Amazing. Never heard of this car before today.
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10-01-2015, 04:50 PM
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They used these cars at one of the Daytona 500s for the drivers pre race intruduction. My father was at the race and had to have one. 2 weeks after the race he tracked one down in Florida. Flew there and drove it home. It's been in and out of the garage and to a few car shows. Car is mint. Found one other for sale for 40k. Don't know what it actually sold for tho.
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2012 2500hd Silverado with LTZ 20s on 35x12.5x20
86 Buick GN Lesabre 1 of 117 (4-Sale)
Last edited by MDSheds_SS; 10-01-2015 at 04:51 PM.
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10-02-2015, 10:04 AM
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Another resource you can tap on the forum is TurboBob. I know back in the day Bob and his family were pretty active in the turbo buick scene. He may know more about collectability and research resources.
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10-02-2015, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER
Another resource you can tap on the forum is TurboBob. I know back in the day Bob and his family were pretty active in the turbo buick scene. He may know more about collectability and research resources.
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Thanks man. I'll shoot him a PM.
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99 Z28 Trick Flow 215s milled to 61cc 228/232 Cam Fast 102 built 4l65e trans 4000 converter 12 bolt 410s Electric WP deleted PS/AC Dyno & Track tuned
2015 ATS Coupe. AWD 2.0 Turbo
2012 2500hd Silverado with LTZ 20s on 35x12.5x20
86 Buick GN Lesabre 1 of 117 (4-Sale)
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10-04-2015, 05:18 PM
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Ive seen the FWD T-Types in good shape go for like 2500-3k. Very similar shape Beretta GTZ's, Olds Calais 442's and Hatch Cavaliers get up to 5-6k in
REALLY nice shape...even some Indy Beretta's in mint condition sell for almost 7 grand.
I'd say given the current market, 4-5k doesnt seem unreasonable in the GM FWD Market.
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10-04-2015, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
Ive seen the FWD T-Types in good shape go for like 2500-3k. Very similar shape Beretta GTZ's, Olds Calais 442's and Hatch Cavaliers get up to 5-6k in
REALLY nice shape...even some Indy Beretta's in mint condition sell for almost 7 grand.
I'd say given the current market, 4-5k doesnt seem unreasonable in the GM FWD Market.
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I'd love a Beretta GTZ 
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10-05-2015, 10:41 AM
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I'd love a Beretta GTZ |
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10-06-2015, 01:17 AM
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I'd love a Beretta GTZ |
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lol you and me both. problem is these cars were built pretty poorly and just rusted to death. Finding a clean GTZ these days are rare 
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10-06-2015, 08:35 PM
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Beretta indy in yellow or teal was always one of my fav's.
..plus I wouldn't mind a glh-s Omni (those ugly bastards..)
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10-07-2015, 12:21 AM
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dam, search is on
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10-07-2015, 01:31 AM
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10-07-2015, 07:44 AM
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While I was in elementary school, my buddy's father got a purple Beretta Z26. We thought it was the coolest thing in the world and would spend so much time hanging out in it and talking about it. Sure enough, it stayed in the family until he turned 16. The Z26 had the 3.1 which was way more reliable than the GTZ motor, but the GTZ 4 banger made more power, was lighter, and is now way more desirable.
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10-07-2015, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
While I was in elementary school, my buddy's father got a purple Beretta Z26. We thought it was the coolest thing in the world and would spend so much time hanging out in it and talking about it. Sure enough, it stayed in the family until he turned 16. The Z26 had the 3.1 which was way more reliable than the GTZ motor, but the GTZ 4 banger made more power, was lighter, and is now way more desirable.
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yeah them quad 4's cooked...literally lol they were ahead of the game with those 2.3 DOHC's. If GM pursued the sport coupe segment further they would've kept up with Honda's but they scrapped the Beretta in 96 due to failing new side impact crash tests LOL
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10-07-2015, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
yeah them quad 4's cooked...literally lol they were ahead of the game with those 2.3 DOHC's. If GM pursued the sport coupe segment further they would've kept up with Honda's but they scrapped the Beretta in 96 due to failing new side impact crash tests LOL
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the GMPP catalogs back then had all sorts of parts for those motors.
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10-07-2015, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
the GMPP catalogs back then had all sorts of parts for those motors.
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yeah they were amazing but they seemed to lose interest in them after they tamed them down for the 2.4 twin cam in the cavalier z24. I wish they kept going in the other direction. I saw a few of the w41's outfitted for race and they were impressive...especially when you realize they were doing this in the mid 90s with 4 bangers.
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10-09-2015, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
yeah they were amazing but they seemed to lose interest in them after they tamed them down for the 2.4 twin cam in the cavalier z24. I wish they kept going in the other direction. I saw a few of the w41's outfitted for race and they were impressive...especially when you realize they were doing this in the mid 90s with 4 bangers.
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I found a 1992 gmpp catalog
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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10-10-2015, 06:00 PM
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Email this guy he will tell you denniskirban@yahoo.com
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10-10-2015, 07:00 PM
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Thanks man.
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2015 ATS Coupe. AWD 2.0 Turbo
2012 2500hd Silverado with LTZ 20s on 35x12.5x20
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