Volt Named Motor Trend COTY - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

LS1Hawk · 11-16-2010, 10:19 AM

http://www.freep.com/article/2010111...ar-of-the-Year

sweetbmxrider · 11-16-2010, 10:43 AM

good stuff, the car is definitely something to be admired imo

Blacdout96 · 11-16-2010, 11:02 AM

Is it even on sale yet?

LS1Hawk · 11-16-2010, 11:48 AM

Yes they have been taking orders.

Blacdout96 · 11-16-2010, 11:52 AM

I mean is it already on the road, wil I see it if I am driving? if not, my (what's even left of it) interest and trust in MT's opinion is now zero, you can't give it to a car that isnt even on the market yet. Thats like giving Ferrari the sportscar of the year for the 458 before it hit production.....(key montage music and slideshow of 458's on fire) Or when I believe they named the Nissan GTR a better buy then the Z06, months later Nissan was flamed for not honoring warrenties for their 25K pile of aluminum poo that broke when you pressed a button they bragged about... We havent seen these on the road, we havent seen these push some miles, and get a consumer response of what mileage it's actually doing.

Anti_Rice_Guy · 11-16-2010, 12:08 PM

I thought it was ready for production and everything but it was held up by EPA's new mileage system?

[edit]http://www.freep.com/article/20101116/BUSINESS01/101116002/1322/GM-dealers-Chevy-Volt-production-has-started

91chevywt · 11-17-2010, 05:16 PM

The masses can't even get their hands on one, and it's the car of the year? The government has to give you $7500 just to get you interested, and people are giving this awards

BigAls87Z28 · 11-17-2010, 05:37 PM

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The masses can't even get their hands on one, and it's the car of the year? The government has to give you $7500 just to get you interested, and people are giving this awards

Government gives money out to all hybrid/electric cars you dolt.
They have 40k buyers already. Production starts soon.
produciton Volts have been driven by the press core for the last few months, and the reaction is good. The car in innovative, and it wouldnt have mattered if it was this year or next, the car is a technological marvel.
There were a handful of people here at the LA auto show that are taking delivery of their Volt's within the next few weeks.

LTb1ow · 11-17-2010, 05:40 PM

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Government gives money out to all hybrid/electric cars you dolt.
They have 40k buyers already. Production starts soon.
produciton Volts have been driven by the press core for the last few months, and the reaction is good. The car in innovative, and it wouldnt have mattered if it was this year or next, the car is a technological marvel.
There were a handful of people here at the LA auto show that are taking delivery of their Volt's within the next few weeks.

But, good to see innovation in this area.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-19-2010, 04:38 PM

http://blogs.motortrend.com/rush-judgment-5957.html

Good read.

LS1Hawk · 11-19-2010, 04:52 PM

The way I see it, whether it's this year or they waited until it was actually in customers' driveways, it was going to be named Car of the Year either way. This is about the biggest thing to come out of Chevrolet, GM, the American auto industry since the small-block V8. Once there's more of an infrastructure for these cars and the prices come down, I'll be all over it like a monkey on a cupcake. But I'll still have the T/A in the garage

Blacdout96 · 11-19-2010, 05:00 PM

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The way I see it, whether it's this year or they waited until it was actually in customers' driveways, it was going to be named Car of the Year either way. This is about the biggest thing to come out of Chevrolet, GM, the American auto industry since the small-block V8. Once there's more of an infrastructure for these cars and the prices come down, I'll be all over it like a monkey on a cupcake. But I'll still have the T/A in the garage

the biggest thing? how dare you disregard the 8-6-4 engine, the Diesel 350, and cross-fire injection

Frosty · 11-19-2010, 05:05 PM

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the biggest thing? how dare you disregard the 8-6-4 engine, the Diesel 350, and cross-fire injection

BigAls87Z28 · 11-19-2010, 05:06 PM

This is by far the biggest thing to happen to the car in 70 plus years.
The head of GM's marketing talked about the task at hand to educate the public about the car and why its such a departure from the average car.

The lease price is pretty damn good, about what Im paying now. When I get one to review, I will make sure that anyone here that wants to grab some seat time can.

BonzoHansen · 11-19-2010, 05:19 PM

I see the gm ceo drive a convertible camaro to the exchange on ipo day

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the biggest thing? how dare you disregard the 8-6-4 engine, the Diesel 350, and cross-fire injection

I'll take a crossfire injected sbc over any v6 4th gen motor.

Frosty · 11-19-2010, 05:23 PM

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I'll take a crossfire injected sbc over any v6 4th gen motor.

I hope that's a joke lol

91chevywt · 11-20-2010, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

http://blogs.motortrend.com/rush-judgment-5957.html

Good read.

It's good to see the writers at motor trend are open about their political leanings

BigAls87Z28 · 11-20-2010, 01:25 AM

I dont see him open about his leanings, but there is no doubt which way Rush leans. What he is saying is that Rush's financial and political backings are what is causing him to mock the car, even if he has little to no understanding of its importance.

NastyEllEssWon · 11-20-2010, 06:56 AM

a little early to name it car of the year...we'll see what happens when it actually hits the public and gets real world reviews.

Frosty · 11-20-2010, 07:27 AM

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I dont see him open about his leanings, but there is no doubt which way Rush leans. What he is saying is that Rush's financial and political backings are what is causing him to mock the car, even if he has little to no understanding of its importance.

Al, you know my views on most political issues and even I don't get Rush's point of view(then again I'm not exactly a huge Rush fan either). He's wrong on a lot of his points....though I agree with Nasty, it is WAY too early to give the Volt, a car that hasn't even hit the streets yet a Car of the Year award. I'm not gonna sit here and say Motor Trend was paid off or anything ridiculous like that but it does make you wonder.

I'm glad the Volt is getting exposure but I think the praise is a little premature, lets see the car on the road for a while, in real world use in real world conditions. I'm actually a little disappointed with Motor Trend for what they did here.

Blacdout96 · 11-20-2010, 12:29 PM

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I'll take a crossfire injected sbc over any v6 4th gen motor.

So young, so much to learn.

sweetbmxrider · 11-20-2010, 01:16 PM

so to be car of the year you have to be a production car available to the public and in their hands for a given amount of time?

Frosty · 11-20-2010, 01:24 PM

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so to be car of the year you have to be a production car available to the public and in their hands for a given amount of time?

For a brand new model, brand new car, yes.

It's not like the Volt has been produced for the last 3 years and they're giving it the award for a redesign...it's a completely new, unproven car.

Just my opinion.

qwikz28 · 11-20-2010, 01:40 PM

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The lease price is pretty damn good, about what Im paying now. When I get one to review, I will make sure that anyone here that wants to grab some seat time can.

But you are right, the lease rates for this car are great. I'm hoping parking garages in the big cities provide chargers, because that is teh only thing holding these things back from being perfect city cars.

Al- I'm curious to know what you think of the Nissan Leaf. We all know what Elon Musk thinks of them (source: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...imitive-94497/), but you seem to be better versed on this stuff.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-20-2010, 02:13 PM

Well, you can look at Leaf in a few different ways, #1, its about the same price as the Volt, but you get limited space and limited range. The Leaf carries all the negatives of the Volt with none of the positives.
Cars like the Tesla can get by on pure electric power because they are ment to be driven for limited amount of time, and parked in a garage. Leaf is an EV, but is designed to replace your daily driver.
The plug-in and extended range systems are going to be the road that we will travel for the future IMO. Honda showed off a Volt-like system in LA, and I thought that was pretty funny that the Japanese are now following the Americans in how to do things.
The Volt does not have to rely on the power-grid alone to get it to move.

You guys are right in that the true test wiill be in the hands of the public, putting it through its paces. The Volt team has brought the car out to several major cities in the US for the public to drive it. I got my chance to drive it when I was in DC, it was pretty cool.
Car Of The Year doesnt mean that it has to be in the hands of the public. Thats not a requirement for giving the award. There are lots of cars that car magazines and web sites get before the public do, giving you the closest to real-world testing one can get without plunking down the cash to do so.
Not giving the Volt the award this year because it has not been in the hands of the public for an X amount of time is not what this award is about.
When JD power and other quality awards come up, and the vehicle has not been on the road for more then a few months, then I can see your problems.
MT picked the CTS sedan in 2008 before it hit the hands of teh public, and in 2009, the GTR as well. The Fusion didnt get a full roll out for 2010, and it won the award.
So I think picking on the Volt is just another way of picking on GM.