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01-16-2012, 01:55 PM
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Clutchless Shifting
Discuss. I did it a couple times in my 94 yj and it pretty much pulled into gear on the 1-2 but I guess I suck at the 2-3 and I grinded it once so I stopped doing it. What are the dinosaurs' opinions?
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01-16-2012, 01:57 PM
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Had to do it on my camaro when the master took a dump. Only grinded it once, but it is not very good for the trans
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01-16-2012, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
Discuss. I did it a couple times in my 94 yj and it pretty much pulled into gear on the 1-2 but I guess I suck at the 2-3 and I grinded it once so I stopped doing it. What are the dinosaurs' opinions?
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Why bother? What is gained, slightly less leg fatigue or a tradeoff between clutch life and overall trans life?
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01-16-2012, 02:02 PM
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I used to do it in the fox all time. under normal driving id use the clutch, but when i was racing or messing around it was just grip and rib. only time it would grind is when i messed up the shift.
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01-16-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
I used to do it in the fox all time. under normal driving id use the clutch, but when i was racing or messing around it was just grip and rib. only time it would grind is when i messed up the shift.
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My dad used to do similar on his 66 ss396 chevelle. He filed down every other took on the syncro rings. Drove it with the clutch during normal duty. When it came time to race, it was all powershifts without the clutch
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01-16-2012, 02:26 PM
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Why bother? What is gained, slightly less leg fatigue or a tradeoff between clutch life and overall trans life?
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Yeah it seems its a pretty hot topic but the general conscientious is you will kill the syncros and its much cheaper to replace a clutch. I figured if I got into a situation in water/mud where I needed to shift, it would be better than using the clutch. It also feels pretty bauce.
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01-16-2012, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
Yeah it seems its a pretty hot topic but the general conscientious is you will kill the syncros and its much cheaper to replace a clutch. I figured if I got into a situation in water/mud where I needed to shift, it would be better than using the clutch. It also feels pretty bauce.
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Yeah, unless you get the rev match down pat you'll make noise and bash crap around, but that doesn't allow you to shift when you want. Definetly hard on synchros but is probably also hard on engagement teeth.
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01-16-2012, 02:30 PM
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My brothers 66 Gran Sport has been shifted mostly without the clutch. The clutch linkage is made from unobtanium and the condition of his is shaky at best! Damn Buicks!
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01-16-2012, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Featherburner
My brothers 66 Gran Sport has been shifted mostly without the clutch. The clutch linkage is made from unobtanium and the condition of his is shaky at best! Damn Buicks!
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Gear oil probably looks like anti-seize at this point
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01-16-2012, 02:33 PM
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Takes a few tries to get the hang of it but not much benefit for us besides looking "bauce". I used to drive my buddies v6 stang without the clutch and once you get the feel for it, it's pretty easy to do.
As for general shifting, I find being a bit quicker in general reduces the amount of "blending" when changing gears which I believe significantly increases clutch life.
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01-16-2012, 02:37 PM
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Gear oil probably looks like anti-seize at this point
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It's a Ford transmission, it probably started out looking like anti-seize!
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01-16-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
Yeah it seems its a pretty hot topic but the general conscientious is you will kill the syncros and its much cheaper to replace a clutch. I figured if I got into a situation in water/mud where I needed to shift, it would be better than using the clutch. It also feels pretty bauce.
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yea i was wondering why you really would ever need to Grip and Rip your jeep lol
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01-16-2012, 05:06 PM
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Neutral drops in automatic cars are cool too.
I think the clutch is there for a reason other than neutral. 
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01-16-2012, 05:45 PM
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did it a couple times... yeah I don't see the point...
I couldn't do it downshifting tho...well i tried like 2 times and gave up/ got bored..
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01-16-2012, 05:59 PM
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Do it all the time on a sportbike
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01-16-2012, 06:09 PM
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Do it all the time on a sportbike
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That's a given!
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01-16-2012, 06:38 PM
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i can up shift and downshift almost flawlessly when i want to but i use the clutch 99% of the time. i just do it to confuse people and it works
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01-16-2012, 06:42 PM
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Yeah bikes are different as well as racing and big rigs. This is just being a pal I guess.
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01-16-2012, 06:44 PM
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Yeah bikes are different as well as racing and big rigs. This is just being a pal I guess.
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So neither of your vehicle's have a working clutch?
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01-16-2012, 06:49 PM
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They both work? One just not very good.....one just don't feel like working 
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01-16-2012, 11:50 PM
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I had to drive with no clutch for a few miles because I figured in the long run it was cheaper than a tow, it's something that's good to know how to do for emergency situations but even with a stiff clutch pedal I like the combination of slamming down the left foot and yanking it into gear
on a side note driving with no clutch whatsoever and using the starter to get moving from stop signs/red lights will kill the starter pretty quick hahha
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01-17-2012, 01:19 AM
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on a side note driving with no clutch whatsoever and using the starter to get moving from stop signs/red lights will kill the starter pretty quick hahha
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 , how do you do that?
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1986 IROC-Z, T56, MGW shifter, Heads, Cam, Holley Stealth Ram 350, t-top, tubular LCA with relo brackets, adjustable PHB, belltech sway bars, ground control weight jacks, SLP mid length headers, 3in w/borla XR1, RIP 3 10 bolts, 12.7 @ 109 so far.. atleast its faster than stock SOLD
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Last edited by redsoxsstink; 01-17-2012 at 01:36 AM.
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01-17-2012, 01:21 AM
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Use the clutch. There are numerous tiny parts in there that arent meant to handle the stressors clutchless shifts apply to them, unless youre absolutely perfect youre most likely adding unnecessary wear and tear
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01-17-2012, 01:27 AM
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01-17-2012, 01:34 AM
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if your reason for going clutchless is to save your calf from cramping or getting pumped up or just being lazy, I do it all the time around town and on highway...
if just driving easy, not for racing its very easy.
if in first and accelerating ease off the gas and pull on shifter lightly towards 2nd. it will slide in gear when it engine drops to correct rpm, continue same through all gears.
Downshifting.... example in 4th, as you let off gas, pull shifter out of gear, tap the gas to brings rpms up as your doing this push lightly towards 3rd. and it will slide in at corrct rpms.
its really easy, just get a knack for it after a while.
if you want to go clutchless while racing, than extensive work should be done such as faceplating, gear,synchro & blocker ring modifications.
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