big oops toyota..

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Well they haven't had any major recalls like Toyota and Hon-duh which is why I named them.

Nothing on the news, but the 2.5's in the Altimas and what not have severe problems resulting in excessive oil consumption due to the pre-cat getting screwed up by faulty sensors, sending crap into the cylinder walls, scratchign the hell outta them, and the rest is history. What's Nissans fix? they replace the pre-cat, and send you on your way, knowing your cylinder walls are already toast. And if that doesnt work, then they have to replace the whole motor, but all the people I have talked to said they went in for the recall, they jsut replaced their pre-cats which didn't fix it, and when they went back to get the motor replace, Nissan said tough, you came in for the recall already, can't do it again!! I don't know how my mothers car DIDN'T have that happen to her, but it's a pretty common thing depending on when yuo took it in for the recall and the time you drove around scratching up the walls. Some people report a quart evry two weeks, or the womans car I work on, 3 quarts every two weeks!!

The other major recall is the crank/cam sensor crapping out and the engine shutting off/stalling while in movement. They change the part, and update the software, but even though this problem is known to be happening as far back as 2002, they only made the recall going by your VIN#. nissan is ****, just like the other two, but my mother doesnt seem to understand that.

None fo these recalls were life threatening, but when your paying for a $20+K car, and they turn you away because they didnt fix the problem the factory produced.....well they'll never see me buy from them.

[Frosty]

I know about those issues, just nothing that was media worthy, again which is why I named them. The had some issues with the Maxima trans too.

You know how people are though, if they're not hammered with info they won't care. Personally the only Asian company I'd buy is Hyundai right now.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

They also gave the LS1 engine a big black circle in every application it was ever in, saying it got bad mileage. Meanwhile, it made more power and got better mileage that some of the import sixes that got red circles. Go figure.

I remember seeing that, made me scratch my head for a while.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I know about those issues, just nothing that was media worthy, again which is why I named them. The had some issues with the Maxima trans too.

You know how people are though, if they're not hammered with info they won't care. Personally the only Asian company I'd buy is Hyundai right now.

Don't get me started on those trans.....

[Frosty]

[BigAls87Z28]

Cr for a long time was giving toyota free passes in quality. They gave the new Tundra high marks but it was plagued with a host of quality issues. Same with the camry.

[BigAls87Z28]

And if anyone is around a TV put on cspan. Lentz has no answers for congress.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

And if anyone is around a TV put on cspan. Lentz has no answers for congress.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...tz-testifies/1

Live blogging of it

[miketa95]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Nothing on the news, but the 2.5's in the Altimas and what not have severe problems resulting in excessive oil consumption due to the pre-cat getting screwed up by faulty sensors, sending crap into the cylinder walls, scratchign the hell outta them, and the rest is history. What's Nissans fix? they replace the pre-cat, and send you on your way, knowing your cylinder walls are already toast. And if that doesnt work, then they have to replace the whole motor, but all the people I have talked to said they went in for the recall, they jsut replaced their pre-cats which didn't fix it, and when they went back to get the motor replace, Nissan said tough, you came in for the recall already, can't do it again!! I don't know how my mothers car DIDN'T have that happen to her, but it's a pretty common thing depending on when yuo took it in for the recall and the time you drove around scratching up the walls. Some people report a quart evry two weeks, or the womans car I work on, 3 quarts every two weeks!!

The other major recall is the crank/cam sensor crapping out and the engine shutting off/stalling while in movement. They change the part, and update the software, but even though this problem is known to be happening as far back as 2002, they only made the recall going by your VIN#. nissan is ****, just like the other two, but my mother doesnt seem to understand that.

None fo these recalls were life threatening, but when your paying for a $20+K car, and they turn you away because they didnt fix the problem the factory produced.....well they'll never see me buy from them.

My neighbor bought an altima 2.5, and it exploded on the highway. When I say exploded I mean literally burst into flames. After the incident, they were going to give nissan hell, but the car was recalled that week for the same issue. She bought a Honda Accord after that.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by miketa95

She bought a Honda Accord after that.

So now her airbags won't work correctly.

[LS1Hawk]

Sweet mother of mystery!

FBI Raids Three Toyota Suppliers in Detroit

http://jalopnik.com/5479384/breaking...ers-in-detroit

The AP reports that this potentially creates

"new public relations challenges for Toyota plus the prospects - however likely or unlikely - of hefty federal fines or even indictments against executives in the U.S. and Japan. They also complicate Toyota's ability to discuss details driving its recall of 8.5 million vehicles because anything executives say could be used against the company inside a courtroom."

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I read that the raids were part of an anti-trust thing. Al and I were talking about that this afternoon.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by Anti_Rice_Guy

I read that the raids were part of an anti-trust thing. Al and I were talking about that this afternoon.

Apparently they aren't sure (from the end of the article linked above):

UPDATE: It's possible this is actually related to a larger investigation into electronics manufacturers who have been charged with fixing prices charged to automakers as part of a cartel. If this is part of that investigation it could mean Toyota is possibly a victim both of unfair trade practices and all the bad press from having their suppliers raided by the FBI.

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

[BigAls87Z28]

Must....get....sticker...

[maroman88]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Must....get....sticker...

YES!!!!!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

[BigAls87Z28]

To be fair, GM did just recall 1.3 million Cobalts and G5's for electric power steering issues.
What I think is funny is when the cobalt launched, mags and rags said that the steering system in it felt better and more responsive then the ones in other vehicles like the Malibu and G6.

[LTb1ow]

F toyota, and their damn commercials.

Why doesn't GM play ball with this whole shenanigans?

[BonzoHansen]

what do you mean?

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

what do you mean?

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

They are offering several programs for unsatisfied Toyota owners, and all of thier commercials talk about the Travese, Malibu and I belive Nox that got CR Best Buys. There is one for Camaro.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

They are offering several programs for unsatisfied Toyota owners.

Have yet to see one, but I have seen quite a few wahhhh wahhh toyota loves you ones...

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

To be fair, GM did just recall 1.3 million Cobalts and G5's for electric power steering issues.
What I think is funny is when the cobalt launched, mags and rags said that the steering system in it felt better and more responsive then the ones in other vehicles like the Malibu and G6.

like ive mentioned earlier in this thread ive had the column in the ion replaced twice already because of this issue. it was always 100 percent free, no questions asked, dealership was well aware of the problem, recently the column started feeling tight again. so who knows whats going on with these things. cant ask for much when you pay 10k for a brand new car though.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

because gm and every other brand is smart enough to know it could happen to them. like nissan today