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09-30-2017, 11:27 AM
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Power Member/NJFBOA Bookie/Moderator
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If you're that concerned about losing 2 days and consider this critical path, then use something other than Grade 8 for the purposes of marrying everything else. You can swap in the Grade 8 stuff when McMaster opens up on Monday.
That way, you can mock everything up, marry the trans and motor, torque it all down except the motor mount thru bolts and just replace those before putting the powertrain back in the car...
...or just wait 2 days and enjoy the weekend 
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
Good. He microwaved my phone 6 years ago, i hope his intake erupts.
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09-30-2017, 11:34 AM
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#1052
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
If you're that concerned about losing 2 days and consider this critical path, then use something other than Grade 8 for the purposes of marrying everything else. You can swap in the Grade 8 stuff when McMaster opens up on Monday.
That way, you can mock everything up, marry the trans and motor, torque it all down except the motor mount thru bolts and just replace those before putting the powertrain back in the car...
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If i could find something other than grade 8 that size i would, longest bolts lowes had by me were about 2" shorter than the ones i got. I have a home depot on my way home from work so i will stop there.
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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09-30-2017, 12:41 PM
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11 sec club
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Might get killed for this but just thinking outside the box...HD has threaded rod, cut it to length... if your just looking for something to stick in there until you get bolts. Wouldn't leave it in there but it will get the job done for now.
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09-30-2017, 04:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDSheds_SS
Might get killed for this but just thinking outside the box...HD has threaded rod, cut it to length... if your just looking for something to stick in there for until you get bolts. Wouldn't leave it in there but it will get the job done for now.
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Only ideas that are stupid are ones that won't work. This sounds like it would work fine for mock up
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1988 camaro- Also scrap
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
Seven.
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09-30-2017, 04:28 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Didn't have the right size bolts m, so I went with the method above. Motor is fitted to the K currently, after dinner will mate the trans if I don't eat myself to death
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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09-30-2017, 06:59 PM
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Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
Join Date: May 2006
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You DO NOT NEED grade 8 bolts for that, grade 3 is fine, or even 5.
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10-01-2017, 03:17 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear
You DO NOT NEED grade 8 bolts for that, grade 3 is fine, or even 5.
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Even with solid motor mounts? You don't think it'll bend em?
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-01-2017, 03:24 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Jackson, NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
Even with solid motor mounts? You don't think it'll bend em?
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The higher the grade the higher the tensile so more chance a grade 8 will shear off right?
Where's the engineer at when you need him??
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
Seven.
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10-01-2017, 05:41 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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I sure as hell wouldn't fly with threaded rod there, though. Threaded rod is the epitome of something loaded with stress risers and is usually garbage grade unless otherwise noted, then it's usually $$.
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
I can appreciate a dream but this person needed some real friends.
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10-01-2017, 08:24 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Bishop
I sure as hell wouldn't fly with threaded rod there, though. Threaded rod is the epitome of something loaded with stress risers and is usually garbage grade unless otherwise noted, then it's usually $$.
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It's not permanent, it was just to get it in place. Tmmr I should have time to run to fastenal and grab some final hardware
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-01-2017, 08:47 PM
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I figured you would, I was referring to the 'any bolt will do' from Polar Bear.
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
I can appreciate a dream but this person needed some real friends.
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10-02-2017, 07:20 AM
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13 Second Club / Moderator
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I thought the idea here is to run a stronger bolt that you could torque down harder to avoid the risk of it rattling loose over time?
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Except Jersey mike, great kid, but the way he looks at me makes me feel like im in danger
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10-02-2017, 08:29 AM
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Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wretched73
The higher the grade the higher the tensile so more chance a grade 8 will shear off right?
Where's the engineer at when you need him??
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People automatically think grade 8 is "better", but you don't usually need that for most applications. In some places you actually want the softer bolt
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Originally Posted by The_Bishop
I figured you would, I was referring to the 'any bolt will do' from Polar Bear.
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That's not what I said at all. Actually a pin would probably be better because it wouldn't have any stress risers since the through bolt in all the engine mounts that I have seen, have some of the thread in the shear point in the mount.
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
I thought the idea here is to run a stronger bolt that you could torque down harder to avoid the risk of it rattling loose over time?
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In this application, stretch should be stretch, but I am not an engineer. If you're worried about the fastener backing off from vibration you need some sort of interference to prevent it, no amount of stretch is going to stop that in a high vibration environment. Watch to see how much a fastener will spin when it is under high vibration
https://youtu.be/IKwWu2w1gGk?t=2m30s
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10-02-2017, 08:32 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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I worked 8-5 Mondays, so fortunately last night i checked fastenal's hours and saw they open 7-5, so i left for work a few mins early and stopped in. Grabbed a pack of Grade 8s and some washers due to the stock bolts having a fanged head.
Final bolt down this evening !
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-02-2017, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hackettstown, NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear
That's not what I said at all. Actually a pin would probably be better because it wouldn't have any stress risers since the through bolt in all the engine mounts that I have seen, have some of the thread in the shear point in the mount.
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Then I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that the threaded rod would be OK.
One benefit of higher quality fasteners is the threads are usually 'rolled' and not cut. Leads to a stronger fastener.
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1998 Z-28 - SLP lid - Ported TB - LS6 Intake - Dynatech SS headers/Catted Y - Magnaflow Exh - 3.42 - Yank SS3600 - UMI weld-in subframe connectors, Adj LCA, Adj PHB, Q1A TA - Bolt-in Relocation Brackets - Strano springs - Koni shocks - 17" C6Z06 wheels - 326HP/335ft-lbs - 12.35 @ 110.41
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
I can appreciate a dream but this person needed some real friends.
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10-03-2017, 08:12 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
Join Date: May 2008
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Cut vs rolled is solved with proper heat treating after machining operations.
So, is this car done yet?
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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10-04-2017, 06:57 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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few more odds and ends to complete. Past few days have been kinda hectic and car has been put on the back burner since friday.
Today im gunna throw the trans dipstick on, torque the balancer, and prob throw the harness on.
It makes sense to throw the O2 sensors in the collectors now right?
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-04-2017, 06:58 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-04-2017, 07:47 AM
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Lord of the rings / 10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
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That will do...that will do.
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10-04-2017, 08:24 AM
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Meet Coordinator
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Chain fall yessssssss
I'd wait on o2's, they are plenty accessible after.
Still trying to get you some welding lead 
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10-04-2017, 10:46 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
Chain fall yessssssss
I'd wait on o2's, they are plenty accessible after.
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No worries, i caved and ordered cable.
#SwipeLikeBLS
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-04-2017, 07:24 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Wheels are on.
Today I also realized I don't have a trans dipstick lmao but I should be able to throw that in after the motor is in the car.
Harness goes on motor tmmr
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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10-04-2017, 09:01 PM
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Resident Camera Guy
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Wheres the Opti?
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10-04-2017, 09:51 PM
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Power Member/NJFBOA Bookie/Moderator
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I have a spare, I'll add it to your parts pile.
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1995 Firebird... Stock-ish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
Good. He microwaved my phone 6 years ago, i hope his intake erupts.
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10-05-2017, 06:37 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
I have a spare, I'll add it to your parts pile.
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LiKE ENTiRE DiPSTiCK ASSEMBLY WiTH TUB3?
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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