How many of Bush or Cheney's CEO buddies arent making out like crooks now?
Widespread? I dont think so. There was MASSIVE spread of fraud durring the Regan admin as well, remember the S&L scandal?
How about Iran/Contra? Ring a bell?

Screw both sides, no one is doing anything to get the job done. Bush is a total clown, how you people voted him back into office is beyond me.

Here is the situation:
Our economy, despite what you read, has gone to ****. Dollar is sinking, housing market is still falling, and unemployment increasing. The ONLY thing we have going for us, is since our dollar is worth less then the Canadian dollar, that we are getting more and more tourists to vist, spending thier money. The goverment has YET to do anything about the housing market, and only recently have they discoverd that there might be something going on, and that they will try to offer some sort of help.
We are in TWO front war, one we have lost, and one we are losing.
Not only has the Taliban regained control of most of Afganastan, ITS INCREASED TO PRE 9/11 SIZE!!
In Iraq, we are fighting a war, and getting killed and not keeping peace between warring factions of the Muslim religion.
We are doing very little to stop Turkey from marching across Iraq's boarder to wipe out the Kurds.
We continue to lose jobs over seas, and with more FTA's, it will only happen more.

And worse part, we are soooo worried about the other side of the isle, THAT NO ONE IS DOING JACK TO GET THE JOB DONE!
Everything is back and forth bickering about how this person smoke a joint, or how this Hillary is female, Obama is black. Its Voting season, and everyone puts the worlds worries on hold so that they can get a seat into the biggest money pit in the world.
We are so far off track, that this country's governing body is worthless.
And going foward, we want to launch an attack into Iran? Are you nuts?
Whatever side of the isle you are on, its worthless.
Im sick and tired of the Religious Right, and Im sick of the Tree Hugging Liberals.
The farther to each side you go, the deeper the ***** gets. Im tired of the bickering back and forth.
Even if we got a powerful President in there, we still have a house that is just there grabbing money, that they cant decide to do jack.

AL i dont know weir you get your info - but the boots on the ground in Afghan and Iraq dont see it your way about having lost it -- i am only going buy Vet fathers of kids who are their -- if you believe that than -- the cops in NYC i guess are covering up the killing of the homeless if you believe what some one wrote -- WOW the leftest media has lots of the people who responded snowed -- actually its just what they want -- jz

EDIT: I had a longer respond typed out but what's the point..

Crack? Who said anything about crack? What, do you not think that crooked things go down in this country? How about Bush's cover up of the oil spill in WV that screwed hundreds out of everything they own? Did you hear about that? Or about the fact that contract mercinaries in Iraq dont have to follow any law and can kill whomever they want? Like how that one got drunk and shot and killed the Iraqi presidents bodyguard? Or how Haliburton was given the largest civil works contract in human history illegally? Or the suspension of human rights regarding POWs thus committing war crimes in direct violation of the Geneva Convention, as order by the White House? Or how about political threats against the media for reporting opposition to the administrations policies? Cover ups and illegal operations dont exist? Keep dreaming, they're counting on it.

All of which were reported in the news a million times so where's the cover up? :rofl::rofl:

reading ftw :lol:

I agree....I was going to respond to Sheep Boy's commentary, but what's the point.

Gimme Perot again and I would vote for him. I believe it's time for the USA to worry about the USA, Screw the rest of the world. Isolationism could work wonders. Increase national security and stop worrying how much it'll cost. Run this country like a business and stop whoring out our tax dollars. Every year we spend billions upon billions of dollars to try to fix the worlds ill's and it achieves nothing. We got people here that need help too. Put up a HUGE wall with a sign on it that say's DO NOT ENTER. I'm tired of my tax money being spent on policies and people that are illegal and don't belong here. It's time for CLUB USA to close the doors and say the hell with the rest of you. We try to help and we get called the bad guys. So I say let them feel what it's like not having us around. Maybe the world will see the truth then.

Oh, and please knock it off with that " you hurt my feelings crap ". Get over it people. What a bunch of namby pamby little bitches some of the country has turned into. Makes me sick!

Isolationism can't work anymore. Back in the day, maybe. Not now, the economy is switching to work a world wide economy. We have WAY too many interests in a lot of other countries.

OK. Maybe Isolationism won't work but you gotta agree we gotta start looking out for ourselves. I mean come on, the world has a bad taste in their mouths everytime they say USA unless they got they're hand out looking for money.

and on another NOTE 3000 shops that had been closed in Baghdad re opened in the month of OCT - our boys are doing the job BTW - contrary to what some believe -- it is and has been working in IRAQ of course some still think the drive by left media is Gospel -- jz

The problem is thsi is exactly how The taliban wanted to do to America. They dont care about when they crashed into thw WTC and the pentagon, that was the lighter actually to what has become the fuse and bomb of this nation. think about it, how was this country doing before 9/11, pretty well, but wiht politics making us fear to go outside anymore ( if you remember the threat alert system a few years back that became the boy who cried wolf over time and now has been thrown back into the closet of failed attempts to keep the American people wanting to back up the presidents decisions) its making this country go down, they want to tear us down as a super power. Even if we put a new president in there, things arent goign to change instantly, in order for America to regain balance, a series of decisions will need to be correctly answer over a course of oh say, the next 10-20 years. Why that long? because you cant shock the American system and way of life. We were shocked when we had been attack on our own land, something that hasent been done by an outside country in almost 150 years, noone knew how to take it and things went hay wire. If we changed things right away, like withdraw all the troops, and try to rebound the economy, it would shock us, and might not be executed properly, and once again make us go into a dwindling economy that we have. Same thing for Iraq, we cant just make them have democracy the next day and everybody go OK, it was a shock to them that they no longer had to fear a ruler who would not only kill you but your family as well, they were fine the way they were and we should of never touched them, and they dont know freedom, so they've gone haywire adn look at them now, they once praised us, and now they are killing us. If you've noticed, since world war 1, this country has had, what I call an arch rival that we despise. First it was Germany, then once the war was over, we hated Russia, and the nKorea, and then Vietnam and then the middle east, and it continues today, Why are we fed that these countries have are bad and we should hate them? because what is the better way to rally up support in the American society, and make then go LETS GO TO WAR!! better then saying that country hates us and wants to attack us. Not in a million years was AMerica goign to fire upon Russia, and same goes for them, why, we were at a stailmate, we knew jsut as much as they knew that we had about 10,000 nukes aimed at each others country, but the media and politics made us fear and hate them. We would be hating China right now, but why dont we? I mean they are a Communist country? we never attacked them in the history of asian communist countries, it was the biggest one, but why not? cause they can produce things so cheaply there, to fight them and loose our trade abilities would kill our economy, that right kill it. There are factories there that we dont have there, and to have them cut off for us would make us scramble to build them and kill major businesses, which as well companies like Mattel, and such hav big money invested into those factories, so who helps pay for the presidency campaigns and slip a little money and go oh by the way leave them alone we got a factory over there and we wouldnt want anything to happen to it right? Politics are all dirt people, the peopel will never win because as much as we protest, as much as we voice our words, hell as much has the media posts it, nothign changes their mind, not since the 1960's. Bush should of been impeached for all of the illegal tactics and decisions he has made, goign over certain peoples heads, ignoring the Geneva contracts, and falsifying information about Iraq that they had weapons and were gonna use them. all he had to say was weapons and taliban in that country and im sure 80% of this country said lets go in thee and kick some *** without really questioning his information or how he got it, we were blinded, just like with Russia and Korea, and Vietnam. The last war America should of rightfully be in was WWII. Anywho, we have not impeached this guy, yet we ewre ready to give the axe on Clinton after a little some some he got on the side and told a lie, but to be honest thats his personal life, did it affect the economy, no, did it make us go to war, no then it was blown up more then it needed to be. And we are loosing in Iraq, your not goignto hear a father go, yeah my son said were loosing badly, he doesnt even know why he's over there to fight, Im with you BigAl, we lost our grip in Afghan, I know, I got peopel over there right now telling me whats up, and Iraq never hada chance, but theres nothign we can do about it, just like Vietnam and Korea, we cant withdrawl right away, it would be a Shock.

BLACDOUT 96 WROTE +++++++ Clinton after a little some some he got on the side and told a lie, but to be honest thats his personal life, did it affect the economy, no, did it make us go to war, no then it was blown up more then it needed to be

SOOOOO i guess the 200 plus marines that were killed -- bombed over in the middle east - meant nothing - and the unprovoked attack on the US NAVY killing sailors ( on his watch ) -- your right he did nothing and its all bushes fault 911 -- get on line loonies to the left -- left UN checked these people the US solders are fighting would kneel you down first for head removal -- jz

Nope.

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Strong October Jobs Growth Sends Another Mixed Signal on Economy
By SUDEEP REDDY November 3, 2007; Page A1 WSJ

A surprising surge in October payrolls suggested a U.S. economy running at two speeds -- with strength in the service sector offsetting weakness from a plummeting housing sector and gyrating credit markets.

Employers added 166,000 jobs in October, the Labor Department said, the most in five months. The unemployment rate remained unchanged at 4.7% despite widespread worries that the odds of a recession are rising.

"Parts of the economy are fraying, but the labor market hasn't broken," said J.P. Morgan economist Haseeb Ahmed.

Friday's report capped a week of conflicting signals. Earlier in the week, the government said the economy grew at a robust 3.9% pace in the third quarter, helped by surging exports. Yet consumer confidence fell, and a survey of purchasing managers suggested a loss of momentum for manufacturers.

Credit-market worries, meanwhile, reemerged due to troubles at major banks, leading to a sharp sell-off in stocks; the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 27.23 to close at 13595.10 on Friday, but for the week was off 1.5%, or 211.60. Crude oil continued its steady rise, with the benchmark crude-oil futures price up $2.49 to $95.93 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, another new nominal high. Gold futures smashed $800 an ounce, hitting $810.70 an ounce, and recently traded at $807.90.

The Federal Reserve cut its key interest rate by one-quarter percentage point this past week, citing its expectation that the economy "will likely slow in the near term," and signaled its reluctance to cut rates again. But even after the upbeat employment report, financial markets continue to anticipate another quarter-point rate cut in December. "One day you see financial turmoil and financial markets going crazy, and the next day you see a number of good jobs being created. It makes you much less certain about what [the Fed] needs to do," said Brian Fabbri, BNP Paribas's chief economist for North America.

Friday's cheery employment headlines didn't dispel many economists' diagnosis that that the U.S. economy is slowing significantly, pulled down by a persistent decline in housing construction and housing prices. The volatility in financial markets continues to create unease. "It's those abysmal sectors that are going to create more financial problems, and those financial problems are going to feed back into the economy and create more weakness ahead," said Mr. Fabbri, who, like many other forecasters, expects fourth-quarter growth of between 1% and 1.5%.

Many forecasters expect weaker consumer spending to push growth lower. Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics Ltd., a London-based research firm, said the economy faces the risk of contracting due to plummeting consumer confidence, higher oil prices and the effects of the housing downturn. "I'd probably characterize the October payroll figures as the last hurrah," he said.

The International Monetary Fund's new chief, Dominique Strauss-Kahn called the jobs numbers "much more than expected," but said no recent developments in the global had changed the IMF's view that the U.S. economy would slow in 2008, but avoid recession. "There is no evident signal that it [U.S. economy] will go further than a slowdown," he told reporters.

Much of October's payroll increase came in restaurants, leisure and hospitality, education, health and professional business services. Payrolls fell in manufacturing and construction and in housing-related finance, though finance as a whole added jobs.

Temporary employment, sometimes seen as a leading indicator of overall job trends, rose as well after declining since February. Temp agencies had been struggling all year, depending on growth abroad to offset weak U.S. results.

Adecco SA, the world's largest temp-employment firm, said Friday that third-quarter world-wide revenues rose 2% while revenue in the U.S. and Canada dropped 8%. "We don't see a recession in the U.S.," Chief Executive Dieter Scheiff told investors. "And we continue to see solid growth rates in Europe and Asia."

A seasonally adjusted drop in payrolls among retailers could portend caution heading into the holiday shopping season. OfficeMax, for instance, reported disappointing earnings growth this past week, and CEO Sam Duncan said the firm would slash costs and adjust its promotional plans "in light of more cautious shopping trends by retail consumers and small businesses."

"This is supposed to be, like, the worst holiday season in four or five years, and that concerns us," he said on a conference call.

Average hourly earnings of production and non-supervisory rose just 0.2% in October, the smallest increase since March, a sign that households may not have as much to spend in coming months, but economists said that reading may have been distorted because a large number of jobs added in October were lower-wage jobs. Hourly earnings are up 3.8% from a year ago. The Labor Department's measure of the total number of hours worked in the economy is running 1.5% ahead of last October, an increase but significantly slower than the 2.6% increase in the previous 12 months.

The jobs report is subject to substantial revisions; the report on August employment initially showed a drop of 4,000 jobs, which is now estimated to be a gain of about 93,000. The government now says employers added 96,000 jobs in September, down 14,000 from its initial estimate. Job gains of about 100,000 a month, given current demographics, are generally considered enough to keep the unemployment rate steady.

But Dean Baker. co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a left-leaning Washington think tank, noted that October marked another month in the ongoing decline in the fraction of the population working, now at 62.7%. "This drop is being driven by younger workers, as people over age 55 continue to work in growing numbers," he said.
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And you deficit hounds should realize the deficit has been shrinking. And when compared to budget size, the % is not even close to historical levels. Thanks to tax cuts, esp capital gains. Any economist worth his weight in pretzels knows lower tax rates leads to increased growth which leads to higher gross tax collections.

The problem with the hillary led dems is they will tax us back into recession. I fear that.

And my #1 complaint with billy clinton (who had his good points) was he was a pussy driven by polls when it came to defense. He had his chance to clean stuff up but they always backed out due to fear of public reprisal.

So your saying a blowjob killed those sailors, thats right cause they were killed in Amer...oh wait that was over in Yemen, thats right, half way around the damn world, not on American soil, not like Cinton was on that boat god for bid so blame him, or on watch to look out for those dumbasses in the small dingy. And even though he had info on 9/11, Since your saying, hot shot, that Bush is so much better, then shouldnt he have tackled the issue, your saying it like clinton was the only person to have the info, well guess what news flash for ya buddy, Bush had it too, and had better and more exact information over the period of time her took office till 9/11. so tough luck on making my OPINION look bad, go back to reading and living the bible and saying the Religious republican way is the right way, Seperation of Church and state my ***, boy has that been thrown outthe window. neither of the sides are right. republican and democrate, I just dont like Republicans cause they follow the bible, a 2000 year old book, and not the future.

Clinton's ongoing lack of response on similar matters embolded the terroroists, plus he failed to effectively follow up on that one too. Clinton was very poor at dealing with those matters.

And Clinton was very driven by PR. Polls during the whole lewinsky thing lead the administration to believe launching attacks would further hurt the party. So no counter ataacks occured.

While I think the whole monica gate thing was uber-stupid, his bowing to polls was also a big mistake.

Real republicans are not the religious right kooks you see today. There are no real republicans right now, but maybe rudy and mccain (he lost his spine).

Edit, oh yeah, ron paul too. lower taxes, smaller govt.

haha,whenI think of religious republicans, i think of the one episode of American Dad when god calls Bush: http://youtube.com/watch?v=k39LUxiZW5Y

Im not saying clinton was the man, he was bad at dealing with things like that, but you gotta admit, he was a little better then bush as a president.

I'm no bush supporter. But he did inherit an already shrinking economy that was crushed by 9/11, which was carried out by carzy people clinton enabled. GB2 had his chance to 'do it right' and failed miserably.

But hey, GB1 was also a poll pansy. That is why he didn't finish off iraq in GWI. He sucked too.

Bring back Ike!

i think every American no matter man or woman should have been required to spend 3 years of there life in the US Military - just so they can in a small way pay back to the USA the rights they so express - with no real knowledge but what they have been sold by those with bias twards the USA -- jz

why not ?

EVERY.

SINGLE.

THING.

we need, as Americans, can be found or made, within the 50 states.


the world needs us more than we need them.

OK, a glimmer of progress, I'll grant you that.

but, has/will it been/be worth it ? in terms of the cost of American lives/dollars ??

we've had 30 years to look back at Vietnam, and the answer is a resounding NO.

it's only been 4 years in Iraq, and already the cost/benefit ratio says the answer there too is NO.

one month, dude. one month.

IF the $$ saved from lower taxes gets RE-INVESTED, not SPENT.

oh yeah, all the Clinton "taxes" of 92 - 00 did was lead us to a budget SURPLUS -- a surplus that Bush II squandered in 01 by giving us all a $300 check.

sure, the $300 was nice -- but I could've lived without it. especially when I'm paying TRIPLE what I should be paying for a gallon of gasoline !!


why is that a bad thing ?

isn't it "elected by the people, for the people" ?

I want my president to represent my best interests, not the best interests of Texas oil company CEO's

I hear what you're saying, but it's totally impractical,
if not impossible...

uh, hello ?

from '94 to '04, Congress was controlled by the REPUGNICANS.

"you can be patriotic, and support the troops -- without supporting the President's decision to send them there"

...1995, Tom DeLay (R-TX): speaking about Clinton's actions with respect to Kosovo

John G, FTW, bringing in the 411 on Bonzo. I would continue to talk to those two, but just like all republicans, they dont listen to you, but you better listen to them cause they are always right,even when wrong