how much hp would it take to get a 88 camaro into mid 11s ? in the 1/4th ?

[wrong generation]

iv got a friend with an 88 camaro he says it ran an 11.5 the last time he had it at the track i know his car has $3500 in suspension mods but exactly how much hp would it take to get an 11.5 in an 88 camaro ?

[enRo]

It all depends. What motor is he running? What were the weather/track conditions? How much weight reduction is done to the camaro? Slicks? Gearing? Its pretty much not about the horsepower, its how the car is set up.

[wrong generation]

here is the cars set up i dont know how heavy it is but i know he did do some weight reduction to it but nothing drastic being its a daily driver

Engine B o t t o m E n d
Engine Block: 1971 350 2 bolt main, Bored .030'' over, ARP main studs
Deck height: .025''
Crankshaft: Scat 9000 80-60-06 cast steel 3.48'' stroke
Pistons: Federal-Mogul hyper. flat top w/ 4 valve releif
Connecting Rods: GM "X" rods, resized, weight matched, ARP bolts
Bearings: All Federal-Mogul
Harmonic Balancer: GM 6.75'' with proform degreed cover
Oiling System: Federal-Mogul HV oil pump, Summit 7 qt. pan, Speedway windage tray-screen, rear main baffle
Compression ratio: 10.18:1

Engine T o p E n d
Cylinder Heads: GM 462's, 62 cc chambers, Ported and Polished, bowl blended, ARP screw in rocker studs, guide plates
Valves: Manley stainless budget performance 1.94''/1.50''
Head gaskets: Fel-pro steel shim, 4.100'' bore x .015'' thickness
Camshaft: Crane power-max 272-2 hyd. flat tappet
Cam Duration@.050" 216/228
Cam Gross Lift: .454''/.480''
Timing Chain: Summit double roller
Rocker Arms: Elgin steel roller tip, 1.6 ratio (brings cam lift to .484''/.512'')
Valve Springs: Competition products 1.265'', 115# @ 1.780'', with matching lightweight chrome moly retainers

Fu e l & I n t a k e
Intake Manifold: Edelbrock performer RPM, with dividing wall milled 1'' deep x 2'' long, port matched, 1'' open carb. spacer
Carburetion: Edelbrock 600 cfm. man. choke, choke flap removed
Fuel Pump: Carter speedway 172 GPH high flow mech pump., purolator PRO12SV universal elec. fuel pump 4-7 PSI, 35GPH rear mounted
Air Filter: K&N 10'' x 3.75''
Air Cleaner Assembly: Chrome edelbrock 10'', set up in a sealed cold/ram air system with cowl hood scoop

Ignition, Tuning, & Other Engine specs.
Distributor: GM HEI
Distributor Upgrades: Proform tune up kit with 50 k volt coil, re-curve kit, adjustable vac. can, cap & rotor, etc
Spark Plug Wires: MSD 8.5mm
Spark Plugs: AC Delco R43S (2 heat range colder) gapped at .043''
Pulleys: March aluminum crank, summit aluminum water pump, power steering pump, alt. (all under drive.. Water pump 33.47%, alt. 34.20%, power steering pump 16.98%)
Fan: 1990 Ford Taurus 2 speed electric fan

E x h a u s t S y s t e m
Mufflers: Flowmaster 2 chamber
Tubing: 2.25'' dual pipes
Headers: Hooker comp. shorty 1-5/8'' tubes, 3'' coll. :Transmission

T r a n s m i s s i o n
Transmission Unit: TH-400 short shaft
Upgrades: Rebuilt with stronger parts, Trans-Go reprogramming kit, adjustable modulator, recalibration to the governor, 2800 RPM stall 11'' torque converter
Shifter: B&M pro stick

D i f f e r e n t i a l
Differential Type: GM 7.625'' 10 bolt
Rear Gears: GM 3.42
Upgrades: Yukon axles, PowerTrax lock-right locker, new bearings and seals, TA Performance aluminum support cover, RedLine "heavy" shockproof gear oil


thats all the info on his car that i know off hand i dont know exactly what he has for suspension work but i know he has $3500 in reciepts for suspension parts

[V]

600cfm carb... hmm u'd think 11's would want a little more

[bad64chevelle]

ughh god the 600 cfm edelbrock. what a pain in the ass that piece of **** was.

[wrong generation]

how much hp do you think this guys engine has at the crank ? he claims its got 535 at 5500rpms

[Bandit]

11's - you need 400-450 rwhp. Per your post on his mods.. I would say he has more like 350-375 HP max

[camaroracer1992]

sounds like a mid 12 motor he has there, carb and heads kill that motor

[wrong generation]

ok his car is 3320lbs if that helps any o and for suspension and tires

Spohn SFC, adjustable LCA's, LCA brackets, adjustable panhard rod
KYB AGX adjustable rear shocks
New v-8 rear springs
Worn v-6 front springs
worn stock front struts.
Nitto 555R rear tires (275/60-15")
Yoko avid st front tires (235/60-15")
1978 trans am ws6 alum. snowflake wheels)

[Untamed]

<Hijack>

Snowflakes on an 88 Camaro? O.O

[radialtireking]

I'd say in the area of 450 at the crank to go 11.5 @ 3320. My old 355 made 475 and went 11.30 @ 121 with my car weighing 3300.

[Tru2Chevy]

Doubtful a 3300 lb car with those mods went mid 11's. That engine isn't anything great - little carb, little cam.

- Justin

[rgaynor85]

just ask to show some slips.

[Slow Z]

Originally Posted by rgaynor85

just ask to show some slips.

I have about 10 timeslips from opposing cars running 9's so I can just show them to people and swear I run 9's? Honestly I wouldn't be so quick to not believe the guy. Sometimes the silliest combos work the best he may also be lighter than he claims or be lying (or misimformed) about his motor combo. Only way to prove his claims are to see 'em with your own eyes at the track.

Really total HP doesn't always equate to what you'll run. Sticking to the ground and using the right convertor and gears gets you a long way. a 400HP motor behind optimal traction/convertor/gear could easily outrun a 500HP motor that isn't setup right for a 1/4 mile.

[1Fastformula]

yeah something seems a little fishy about this. The weight of the car shows he has some good weight reduction, and the motor sounds decent, no great, but decent.

The one thing that sticks out is 3500 is suspension? Is he running gold plated parts?

I am not trying to come off as a wisearse but I have about 1500 or so into my suspension and I am cutting 1.5's. Point is, car hooks well for what is has.

And I would agree to get a car of that weight into the mid 11's would take about 400-450 at the wheels.

[BMF]

Originally Posted by 1Fastformula

yeah something seems a little fishy about this. The weight of the car shows he has some good weight reduction, and the motor sounds decent, no great, but decent.

The one thing that sticks out is 3500 is suspension? Is he running gold plated parts?

I am not trying to come off as a wisearse but I have about 1500 or so into my suspension and I am cutting 1.5's. Point is, car hooks well for what is has.

And I would agree to get a car of that weight into the mid 11's would take about 400-450 at the wheels.

I have more then $3500 in my suspension, some of my parts are blue anodized, but none are gold plated

I seriously doubt that car has gone 11.50's, sounds like a 12.50 combo at best.
The cam, carb and converter, amongst other things are pretty far off from what i would believe runs 11.50's.

[NJSPEEDER]

that is a tiny ass cam. i doubt that is a 500hp motor in a wet dream, much less real life.

[Slow 88]

I would have to say that he is pulling your willy...I give him with that setup 12.80 with perfect conditions!