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Tsar · 12-03-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GP99GT

thats a bumpy field with lots of brush and stuff...this is a flat conveyor belt with nothing on it. big difference

he was saying that whats under the wheels doesnt matter, and thats why i typed my reply.

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 09:01 AM

So theres a little problem with my experiment.

the threadmill has a slight incline which makes the skateboard fall of everytime. Plus skateboard is ****ing heavy. im very bored right now so i was thinking can take the wheels off and try to mount them on the fan directly

and try to make the treadmill even with the surface. if i do it ill post the results if not then **** it.

Koll · 12-03-2005, 09:04 AM

Ok. **** you guys. I put it to the ultimate test. I took one of my dads RC airplaines and put it on our treadmill. I had my dad slowly increase the speed of the treadmill with the speed of the plane. At full throttle (or close to it) guess what? It didnt take off. It was just hopping a bit from the propeller generating wind force to move under the wings.

Koll · 12-03-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersey_TA

Yes, why do you ask?

If you were to spraypaint an X on the ground next the the plane it would never move away from the X. Thus creating now windforce over the wings.

BigAls87Z28 · 12-03-2005, 09:06 AM

Ok, let me correct myself so that the Commie can understand me.

As long as its a long, flat, solid platform, it will take off, doesnt matter if the long, flat, solid platform is moving or not.

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Koll

Ok. **** you guys. I put it to the ultimate test. I took one of my dads RC airplaines and put it on our treadmill. I had my dad slowly increase the speed of the treadmill with the speed of the plane. At full throttle (or close to it) guess what? It didnt take off. It was just hopping a bit from the propeller generating wind force to move under the wings.

well i guess we win then

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Ok, let me correct myself so that the Commie can understand me.

As long as its a long, flat, solid platform, it will take off, doesnt matter if the long, flat, solid platform is moving or not.

um...you dont want me to start making fun of a white overweight male, come on its too damn easy...

GP99GT · 12-03-2005, 09:34 AM

most treadmills are adjustable i thought, but i guess you could put something underneath the back end of it to even it out

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GP99GT

most treadmills are adjustable i thought, but i guess you could put something underneath the back end of it to even it out

yea i adjusted it so its suppose to be straight, but when i just put the skateboard on top of it it rolls off.

so i guess its not straight...

Teds89IROC · 12-03-2005, 10:07 AM

Also realize this, the plane must have enough power to overcome friction between the wheels and the ground. Also, if the wheels don't have bearings, there is a tremendous amount of friction that is being generated which takes power away from the forward movement.

~Ted

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 10:17 AM

so now we gonna hear how he did it wrong? um...isee...we should go rent a C172 and maybe do it with that thing. Ill get the plane if u get the big enough conveyeer belt.

Teds89IROC · 12-03-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

so now we gonna hear how he did it wrong? um...isee...we should go rent a C172 and maybe do it with that thing. Ill get the plane if u get the big enough conveyeer belt.

no, its simple fact that the plane must have enough force to overcome the frictional force provided by the wheels, which is related to how you were saying stories of how planes that land in fields can take off again because of uneven/unsmooth surface. It's the same concept.

~Ted

Teds89IROC · 12-03-2005, 10:23 AM

The whole idea that the plane will take off is based on the fact that real planes can clearly provide enough force to overcome the frictional force caused by the wheels and their wheels have bearings and are designed to psin as freely as possible. They do this because the less friction, the less thrust they need to get the plane to move which equals better fuel mileage.

~Ted

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Teds89IROC

The whole idea that the plane will take off is based on the fact that real planes can clearly provide enough force to overcome the frictional force caused by the wheels and their wheels have bearings and are designed to psin as freely as possible. They do this because the less friction, the less thrust they need to get the plane to move which equals better fuel mileage.

~Ted

um..you should see what some RC planes can do. they can do things like real planes cant. like hovering for example. They clearly have enough thrust to take off.

Teds89IROC · 12-03-2005, 10:38 AM

Some can, but not all....how do we know what kind of plane koll used? we don't until he replies. I'm not arguing all R/C planes aren't capable, I just put it out there that the type of plane also has an effect on the experiment. Just like different cars, some are built better and perform better/different than others and if you can't agree to that, then there is no point in discussing this further with you.

~Ted

12secondv6 · 12-03-2005, 10:40 AM

I say..... suck it Treveck!

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Teds89IROC

Some can, but not all....how do we know what kind of plane koll used? we don't until he replies. I'm not arguing all R/C planes aren't capable, I just put it out there that the type of plane also has an effect on the experiment. Just like different cars, some are built better and perform better/different than others and if you can't agree to that, then there is no point in discussing this further with you.

~Ted

ohh i can agree with it, but what are we gonna do now, request specific airplane from some one? What if the experiment succeded would you be saying that the type of airplane matters? NO! bit it could've been one of those "moded" planes that will take off in 2 feet and hover above ground all day long? am i wrong?

12secondv6 · 12-03-2005, 11:07 AM

At the rate this thread is increasing..... we should have it archived.....

To add fuel to the fire....

What if it was a light weight air plane?
What if the tires were flat?
What if it was a cargo plane.... and cargo fell out?
What if the plane had live stock in it.... and they ran forward really quick?
What if a gust of wind came across the plane/ conveyer belt sideways?
What's the clearance Clarence?
What's the vector Victor?

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 12secondv6

At the rate this thread is increasing..... we should have it archived.....

To add fuel to the fire....

What if it was a light weight air plane?
What if the tires were flat?
What if it was a cargo plane.... and cargo fell out?
What if the plane had live stock in it.... and they ran forward really quick?
What if a gust of wind came across the plane/ conveyer belt sideways?
What's the clearance Clarence?
What's the vector Victor?

lol you enjoying this arent you?

Dark_Knight7096 · 12-03-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 12secondv6

What's the clearance Clarence?
What's the vector Victor?

I am serious, and stop calling me shirley. I just wanted to let you know, we're all counting on you!

Koll · 12-03-2005, 03:22 PM

After this I did it again. One was with a stunt plane. It has a 3 foot wingspan. The other one was "Yellow Belly". 5 Foot wing span. Runs off of gas and not RC Nitro.

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Koll

After this I did it again. One was with a stunt plane. It has a 3 foot wingspan. The other one was "Yellow Belly". 5 Foot wing span. Runs off of gas and not RC Nitro.

and they didnt take off right?

jims69camaro · 12-03-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 12secondv6

What's the clearance Clarence?
What's the vector Victor?

what's the frequency, kenneth?

i tried to tell you guys the plane wouldn't take off. once you get something firmly affixed in your head and you can justify it, nothing will change your mind. i bet if someone rigged up a huge conveyor and used a 747, you still wouldn't believe it if the plane didn't take off.

now, all of the hair splitting is just incredibly stupid. it doesn't matter what kind of aircraft it is, as long as under normal circumstances it can achieve flight under its own power. leave it alone, already.

enRo · 12-03-2005, 03:59 PM

The next time I take a ****, this thread is getting printed out. That is all.

Tsar · 12-03-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyKane

The next time I take a ****, this thread is getting printed out. That is all.

we need a poll!