VA Tech Shooting...at least 32 dead

[Mike]

another thing about "locking down" the campus........did your campus ever get locked down when you were in school?.. do you think thousands of college kids will find out classes are canciled and just go back to their rooms in a quiet and orderly fashion?

i was in monmouth when 911 happend...and they locked down our campus that morning and let me tell you, you couldnt tell the difference.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by j0n

THIS WAS AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. As awful as it was, the odds of a similar event occuring are so slim they're not worth mentioning. Pointing fingers does JACK **** to bring back the poor students and faculty that lost their lives as a result of a madman.

edit: I think it would be best to leave this thread open for mourning of the departed only

edit #2: 01SS my prayers go out to your family and specifically your nephew, and i wish him a speedy recovery

I'm with j0n on this one. Pointing fingers will not bring anybody back, and it's all speculation on how it would have turned out if they locked down the campus.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Let's all take a breath. A number of NJ families are directly impacted by this.

*Matt La Porte, 20, from the Bergen County borough of Dumont
*Julia Pryde, 23, a graduate student from Middletown in Monmouth County
*Michael Pohle, a senior from Raritan Township in Hunterdon County
*Mary Read, 19, whose mother lives in Palisades Park.
*Caitlin Hammaren, 19, whose parents live in Kinnelon.

*A student from Gloucester County, Sean McQuade of Mullica Hill, remained in critical condition at a Virginia hospital. He was shot in the face during the attack.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....l=1&thispage=1

I agree. What is done is done. It is very tragic that so many lives were lost in this senseless act. My heart goes out to all the families and friends that were directly impacted by this.

[V]

It is a tragedy and should not have happened. plain and simple. obviously now we all see arguing about it now is pointless so thats setttled.

What i do want to say is that this could have been avoided, not by action of school officials or cops, but by the losers doctors and a judge who went him for mental help 2 years ago. there were so many signs that people ignored. mentally ill? and allowed to buy a gun, im sorry, that doesnt fly with me. Warning bells should have went off about this kid way before it came to this. Even his teachers and fellow students had concerns about his attitudes and writing samples. hopefully people will start to think again and maybe another incident like this will be prevented.

[firehawk1120]

Now now smokingss don't assume you know the answers to everything now that all the facts are coming out. There was no one that could have done anything and everyone should just go on with there lives anytime something tradegic happens esp. if it's a public school or a gov't building like a post office. Business as usual.

(note sarcasm in my voice)

I do agree with you however there was not enough done to prevent this because yet again people don't want to upset anyone and wanted to be PC. If you needed help and people were scared of you then you shouldn't be getting a gun.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

and allowed to buy a gun, im sorry, that doesnt fly with me. Warning bells should have went off about this kid way before it came to this.

I'm with you on this one. If you have been flagged for mental illness it should come out in a background check before you are allowed to own a gun. From what I was told, buying guns in that part of VA is not very hard to do.

[shoregirl]

imsorry yeah im a girl but let me tell u somethin that no girl is worth killing yourself over none the less killing 31 others.

[BigAls87Z28]

It wasnt a girl he faught over, it was just general pissed off rant about rich people and how he couldnt deal anymore. Im sure he was picked on, etc etc.

[V]

i heard some of his rantings on tv last night and it seriously got to me, like who the F does he think he is, claiming "you made me do this" BS and "you wrecked my soul"... "i didnt have to do this, i could have left, i could have fled"... seriously STFU. im glad he did himself too, unfortunatley he didnt start with himself. Others had to suffer cuz he was insane. I'm VERY sick of seeing his face and pictures on TV and web pages. Theres no need to make him infamous. Show it for what it was, a suicidal murder spree, nothing more, ignore the one responsible and focus on the victims and the memories of them, not this twit who should have never been born in the first place...

[firehawk1120]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

i heard some of his rantings on tv last night and it seriously got to me, like who the F does he think he is, claiming "you made me do this" BS and "you wrecked my soul"... "i didnt have to do this, i could have left, i could have fled"... seriously STFU. im glad he did himself too, unfortunatley he didnt start with himself. Others had to suffer cuz he was insane. I'm VERY sick of seeing his face and pictures on TV and web pages. Theres no need to make him infamous. Show it for what it was, a suicidal murder spree, nothing more, ignore the one responsible and focus on the victims and the memories of them, not this twit who should have never been born in the first place...

AMEN BROTHER.

[NJSPEEDER]

the circumstances of him nto receiving the proper medical care and not being put someplace where he couldn't cause harm to himself or others is jsut a symptom of a bigger problem in our society today.
too often it is left up to the person in ned of help to seek out the appropriate care on their own. not because of a lack of signs or not being noticed by others, but because we have a society that is driven by lawyers and law suits.
if you suggest to someone that they get some help for an emotional problem and they are offended, blamo, multi million dollar lawsuit. the school certainly isn't going to encourage that and the police aren't allowed to react unless there is a crime commited(threatened or physical act) in front of them or with witness' willing to sign a complaint.
our society has gotten away from caring for itself and is leaving it up to TV, lawyers, and the government.
the thing that saddens me the most is that these random acts will now be used as a rallying point for a bunch of misguided causes and stereotypical actions. the point that should be acknowledged is that there are people in this world that need help and that we can all contribute to their betterment in some way.
it takes a whoel society together, to succeed or fail, which do you choose?

[firehawk1120]

amazing I acutally agree with you on that. Goes along with what I was saying about being politically correct and not wanting to offend or upset someone because you are afraid of the ramifications.

see we can get along...

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

another thing about "locking down" the campus........did your campus ever get locked down when you were in school?.. do you think thousands of college kids will find out classes are canciled and just go back to their rooms in a quiet and orderly fashion?

i was in monmouth when 911 happend...and they locked down our campus that morning and let me tell you, you couldnt tell the difference.

thats a good point. i never thought of it that way. if that happened at rutgers, i would probably go first to find my GF and friends before leaving anyways.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

the circumstances of him nto receiving the proper medical care and not being put someplace where he couldn't cause harm to himself or others is jsut a symptom of a bigger problem in our society today.
too often it is left up to the person in ned of help to seek out the appropriate care on their own. not because of a lack of signs or not being noticed by others, but because we have a society that is driven by lawyers and law suits.
if you suggest to someone that they get some help for an emotional problem and they are offended, blamo, multi million dollar lawsuit. the school certainly isn't going to encourage that and the police aren't allowed to react unless there is a crime commited(threatened or physical act) in front of them or with witness' willing to sign a complaint.
our society has gotten away from caring for itself and is leaving it up to TV, lawyers, and the government.
the thing that saddens me the most is that these random acts will now be used as a rallying point for a bunch of misguided causes and stereotypical actions. the point that should be acknowledged is that there are people in this world that need help and that we can all contribute to their betterment in some way.
it takes a whoel society together, to succeed or fail, which do you choose?

another point you didn't touch on is the fact that so many people experience the same symptoms, it is hard to label one or two which would be the mass murderers. soo many americans are depressed and sooo many are violent, how do you know which ones will be the potential threat?

[NJSPEEDER]

there is no one action or comment that will symbolize any particular mental condition. the issues rests inthe concept that, in large part, we don't know each other as individuals in society anymore.
think of how many/few peole you can honestly say you know intimately. i woudl bet there are very few people that you know much about, even within family.
the inverse is the town my mom is from in upstate, ny. most of my family still lives up there and they all know me and my brother and everything about my mom. even though i only get up there a few times a year, they know me well enough to see if i am ove tired, stressed, in a bad mood, or if i am feeling and doing well. it isn't really the level of care that is so different than my neighbors here, it is the willingness to be involved and engaged with the people around them.
my point is, if you talk to people and take the time to listen, you will know when something just isn't right.