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Firebird67dude · 04-13-2008, 12:11 PM

So I bought a 91 Jeep Cherrokee Sport from my cuzin. I bought it for $500 with 182,000 miles on the clock. I did front brakes and a trans line so I'm $800 total into it. The color is "Black Cherry" or as the gf says some shade of purple. Runs awesome. Passed NJ inspection in Paramus. All the emissions where either half or more than half of what was allowed. I want lift is so anyone know a good lift kit?

Knipps · 04-13-2008, 01:38 PM

How much lift do you want is the question.. look around you can do from 2" up

Savage_Messiah · 04-13-2008, 02:08 PM

... is that the one with my old amp?!?!

Seriously if it is, can I buy it back?

Tru2Chevy · 04-13-2008, 03:56 PM

Start reading: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89273

Do a front axle swap from a mid-90's Cherokee before you lift it. Get rid of that damn vacuum acuated 4wd. I believe you can swap just the axles for later ones and not worry about swapping the entire differential.

How much lift and what size tire are you thinking about?

- Justin

r0nin89 · 04-13-2008, 03:58 PM

Or you could just buy manual hubs for it and flip the ADD vaccume unti around on the axle....

Tru2Chevy · 04-13-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nin89

Or you could just buy manual hubs for it and flip the ADD vaccume unti around on the axle....

Manual hub conversions for a d30 aren't cheap - he'd be looking at over a grand just for parts. Swapping axles would be far more cost effective.

- Justin

GP99GT · 04-13-2008, 07:12 PM

doesnt this make you an honorary admin?

jims69camaro · 04-13-2008, 08:08 PM

welp, i've been looking at skyjacker for their 2" for the wife's liberty. that will allow me to get a 31" tire in the wheel well.

don't know what you have planned for it, but let me know if you have any small dings you want knocked out. i will start to do jeep vehicles for free at the meets. i use very little bondo and cover it with self-etching primer. i just did one of my step-son's friend's wrangler today. he just had a little push on the front of one of the fenders. easy job: start to finish 20 minutes. smooth as a baby's tucous when done.

maroman88 · 04-13-2008, 09:40 PM

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Firebird67dude · 04-13-2008, 10:21 PM

I was told it has a dana 44 rear in it. I'm looking to lift it 4 1/2 inches. My friend has a 91 4 dr and she says to just copy her lift and I will have NO probs with it.

Tru2Chevy · 04-13-2008, 10:27 PM

If it's a Dana, it's been swapped in (and you're lucky). They didn't come from the factory in '91. Easy to tell by looking though.

With a 4.5" lift you're most likely gonna have to do a slip yolk eliminator, and maybe a t-case drop to keep it from vibrating. Planning on running 33s?

- Justin

79T/A · 04-14-2008, 07:11 AM

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i've been looking at skyjacker for their 2" for the wife's liberty.

Don't know much about lifting Libertys, but I've had some experience with Skyjacker and all of it was bad. A lot of the parts in their lifts appear to be sub-grade metal (Seen a transfer case drop crushed) and everyone I know who went with them in other Jeeps complained about the ride (Way too rough and uncomfortable). I would look around and find something else if you can.

As for lifting the Cherokee, I've heard nothing but good things about Rubicon Express. Quality parts and rides like a Caddy on the street. Justin's right; if you're going that high, be prepared to drop a good chunk of money. The SYE is definitely needed. He's also right about that Dana 44. There were a handful of them out there that came with a 44 in a towing package, but I'm not sure '91 was one of those years.

Jeeps are just like F Bodys: They end up costing you a ton of money to do it up right, but the end results are ridiculously satisfying. Come talk to me if you ever want to take that Jeep out on the rocks.

Firebird67dude · 04-14-2008, 05:01 PM

My buddy Garret is all bout Jeeps. He told me that if the diff. is round its a dana and if its oval is the crap diff. Mine is round. My boss also said that its a dana fractory from jeep.

Tru2Chevy · 04-14-2008, 05:06 PM

Here's clear pics of many common axles so that you can tell for sure: http://www.xjjeeps.com/tech_referenc...section=2&ID=3

The Dana 44 was only in some 87-89 Cherokees with the towing package. Did not come from the factory in '91.

Also, if you are planning on hanging onto this Jeep for a while and modifying it, buy this: http://www.ericsxj.com/book.htm

I picked it up a few months ago and read it cover to cover in a few days. TONS of good info in there.

- Justin

79CamaroDiva · 04-14-2008, 05:45 PM

i dont have much to add except

for jeeps!

and we should give hte club a sub title...

New Jersey F-Body Owners Association
...or Jeeps in bad weather

trashman01 · 04-14-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

i dont have much to add except

for jeeps!

and we should give hte club a sub title...

New Jersey F-Body Owners Association
...or Jeeps in bad weather

what bout my K10?

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

With a 4.5" lift you're most likely gonna have to do a slip yolk eliminator, Planning on running 33s?

- Justin

damn jeeps do suck, 4.5" lift u only get 33s? and u gotta get a SYE and poss a TC drop? haha

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Originally Posted by 79T/A

Don't know much about lifting Libertys, but I've had some experience with Skyjacker and all of it was bad. A lot of the parts in their lifts appear to be sub-grade metal (Seen a transfer case drop crushed) and everyone I know who went with them in other Jeeps complained about the ride (Way too rough and uncomfortable). I would look around and find something else if you can.

we put a Skyjacker on my buddies 96 F250 and we've got no problems for it and its a lifted vehicle, its gonna be rough and uncomfortable, it meant for off-roading. want a ride like a caddy, go buy one and stay on the road

jims69camaro · 04-14-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 79T/A

Don't know much about lifting Libertys, but I've had some experience with Skyjacker and all of it was bad.

i'm glad you spoke up. i have zero experience with SkyJacker, lifting Liberties (or any vehicle) and was just trying to dress up my wife's car for her. larger wheel/tires, side step bars, bull bar, perhaps the chrome kit. the only reason why SkyJacker is that they have one of the few complete kits around. anything you buy from them is also upgradable, so a 2" lift today could turn into a 4.5" (with the purchase of more stuff) tomorrow.

knowing that their product tends to be rough is a good heads-up, as my wife would not tolerate a rough ride. i wonder how much of that reputation is deserved, though. most people who lift their vehicle tend to not care about road manners so much as how much more they will be able to tackle off the road (in my experience, limited as it is). i have seen advertisements for liberty-only trail rides, and i heard quite a while back that kenne bell was supposed to have a supercharger kit for the liberty, but i have not heard anything recently.

Tru2Chevy · 04-14-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jims69camaro

i'm glad you spoke up. i have zero experience with SkyJacker, lifting Liberties (or any vehicle) and was just trying to dress up my wife's car for her. larger wheel/tires, side step bars, bull bar, perhaps the chrome kit. the only reason why SkyJacker is that they have one of the few complete kits around. anything you buy from them is also upgradable, so a 2" lift today could turn into a 4.5" (with the purchase of more stuff) tomorrow.

knowing that their product tends to be rough is a good heads-up, as my wife would not tolerate a rough ride. i wonder how much of that reputation is deserved, though. most people who lift their vehicle tend to not care about road manners so much as how much more they will be able to tackle off the road (in my experience, limited as it is). i have seen advertisements for liberty-only trail rides, and i heard quite a while back that kenne bell was supposed to have a supercharger kit for the liberty, but i have not heard anything recently.

If you haven't already poked around JeepForum, see here: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=28

That's the entire section on the Liberty, with a FAQ at the top.

I don't know any details about lifts for them, but I see in the FAQ that OME (Old Man Emu) offers a lift, and in the Cherokee world OME lifts are considered to offer the best on-road ride and handling.

- Justin

Tru2Chevy · 04-14-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by trashman01

damn jeeps do suck, 4.5" lift u only get 33s? and u gotta get a SYE and poss a TC drop? haha

Short wheelbase means far more drastic driveline angles than the average full size truck. Cherokee's aren't known for being able to stuff lots of tire under them without plenty of lift/trimming/bumpstops, but there are some guys that make it work. There is a guy on JeepForum that uses his XJ as equal parts pizza delivery and trail rig, and he's got a 4" lift and has 37s.

- Justin

Teds89IROC · 04-14-2008, 08:22 PM

nice score, we need pics!

trashman01 · 04-14-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

Short wheelbase means far more drastic driveline angles than the average full size truck. Cherokee's aren't known for being able to stuff lots of tire under them without plenty of lift/trimming/bumpstops, but there are some guys that make it work. There is a guy on JeepForum that uses his XJ as equal parts pizza delivery and trail rig, and he's got a 4" lift and has 37s.

- Justin

wow, thats gotta be a sight 2 see, my K10 cant be that much bigger then a cherokee but i kno the wranglers u basically need a 90* driveshaft if anything over 40s haha. i think im gonna do a 8" lift and 37s on the K10 and get rid of the 6"/35 combo

Tru2Chevy · 04-14-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by trashman01

wow, thats gotta be a sight 2 see

Yea, he's done some trimming

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Here's the same truck with only 1.5" lift in the front, same tires (trying to prove a point about flex):

- Justin

r0nin89 · 04-14-2008, 09:56 PM

That dana 30 has gotta be screamin... Those things cant hold 35's let alone 37 boggers...

I wasnt aware that the dana 30 needed new wheel hubs inorder to install manual hubs. My experience dates a little further back with 4x4 components where you pull the old hubs out and slap manual hubs in in 20mins.

In that case you would be better off pulling a junkyard 30 with manual hubs, and just using the outers to make sure you retain proper gearing.

@ Trashman

8in is way too much for 37's. I run 36s with 4inches and have the same truck as you. I'd say run 6in for a street queen or run 5.5in and do the right thing and move the axle forward an inch, cut fenders, and go if you actually wheel.

Tru2Chevy · 04-14-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nin89

That dana 30 has gotta be screamin... Those things cant hold 35's let alone 37 boggers...

Yea, he's had it for a while though I believe, and I haven't seen anything about the d30 breaking. Maybe he's just one of the lucky ones.....

- Justin

bad64chevelle · 04-14-2008, 10:10 PM

I have skyjacker shocks on my Ram, and I like them so far. Its a 2500 so its going to drive like crap no matter what. My buddies 1500 Ram has a skyjacker lift on it and it has NO problems. and whats with these damn big lifts and fitting 36s....pshh 35s on a 3" kit, definitely coulda fit 36s.