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				So far that seems to be the general opinion...the only one nutting themselves over the new Camaro is Al. You can say what you like man, but I, like many others, still don't see it. It's not the concept and never will be.   
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 Well, only one on this site.  All the people rubbing themselves on the failed 4th gen dont seem to like it for what ever reason.   
Check out a few other sites, not to mention the overall outpouring of fans about the car that made ita  clear choice for GM to make it.
 
You, sir, are in the minority.  
 
Challenger nor the Mustang's hood scoops are functional.  Why get upset about it.  
 
What visually seperates a V6 from a Z28 from an SS Camaro 4th gen?   
V6 to Z28, a badge 
Z28 to SS, a hood, spoiler and wheels.  OH yeah...and a badge.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Go blow yourself... 3rd gens are the predecessor to the honda element and scion xb. boxy little turds. 4.1 gens are sex. 
			
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold.  I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors. 
 
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			Vega was at least RWD.   
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				I for one like the way 4th gens look, especially the LT-1 Formulas. I wonder if GMs crappy marketing had anything to do wit the sales figures? 
			
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 Yeah, marketing’s total failure to influence a more acceptable design.
 
4th gens did not appeal to most women.  The sales numbers I saw a while back were so far skewed towards males it was nuts.  Too low, hard to see out of, giant doors, blah blah blah.  All turned the average woman off.  They bought mustangs.  Still the secretary car that occasionally gets a big engine.  Yes, I know there are ladies here.  But see out outnumbered they are?  Our wonderful ladies are thankfully not average!
 
Now they are scared the base is too fast (300HP RWD is not a Corolla) and will turn off women.  Really.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				4th gens did not appeal to most women.  The sales numbers I saw a while back were so far skewed towards males it was nuts.  Too low, hard to see out of, giant doors, blah blah blah.  All turned the average woman off. 
			
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			Unless you get the RS package, all Camaro's will get standard halogen reflector lights.   
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			Yes, yes you can.  RS package on the SS gets you the famed Halos, darkend wheels, tail lights, as well as Red SS badges.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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 No surprise there. Isn't like half the contry overweight? Fatties love the comfy loads like GTO's. And that's who drives a good 80% of them.    Pay close attention, I'm right and you know it.
 
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				GTO is a better car overall.  Design suffers a bit due to the direct to USA importation, but dollar for dollar, the 33k GTO is a better buy then the 33k Trans Am. 
			
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				No surprise there.  Isn't like half the contry overweight? Fatties love the comfy loads like GTO's. And that's who drives a good 80% of them.    Pay close attention, I'm right and you know it.
 
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 And 1/4 mile times.    400hp in a GTO = low 13's at best, in a 4th gen, probably 12.5 if you're a retard.
 
They're heavy, hideous and slow. They  almost keep up with the 98-02 F cars only because they pack more HP, at least in the LS2 versions, and even then they really don't put up too good of a fight. Even a "meh" F-body driver could dust a 350hp GTO no problem. GTO's are a waste in every sense of the word. There are probably about 5 people on the planet who give a rats ass about the Monero Goats and the rest think it's a turd.
 
The Holden's were MUCH nicer! I'd take one over a GTO hands down. GM fumbled big time there. They should have gone with a design similar to the 99 concept car. THAT was a GTO!   
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