rap module on 97

[transmaro93]

hey guys im only starting a new thread to see if i can grap some others who might know what im talken about... ok i have problems with my windows and radio cutting out intermittently and one of the guys on the forums helped me out said it could be the rap module so i looked for one today and its not in the place where it should be... and when i look up part #'s online i can only come up with #'s for 93-95 my car is a 97... does anybody know where the rap module on a 97 is located and if it even has one.... when working my radio and windows stay on untill the door is opened with the car off.... thanks for any help given...

[ins0mnia24]

It is built into your BCM which is the same BCM as all 97-02 cars which one you need would depend on if you have anti theft, keyless entry or not

[ins0mnia24]

Here read this post I listed the all of the part numbers and instructions for reprogramming a new BCM

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28601

[transmaro93]

where is the bcm located and it seems you know about this stuff can this bcm be the cause of my intermittent windows and radio cut out... because it sounds like alot of bull to go through if thats not the problem let alone i dont know how much it costs...

[sweetbmxrider]

got a scanner that can read the body control module? might have codes set

[ins0mnia24]

Your BCM is located on the passenger side behind your glove box.

A GM Tech 2 scanner ,Autotap and a few other common scanners have the ability to scan for BCM codes..
Those generic scanners that Autozone lets you use for free, to my knowledge do not have the ability to scan for BCM codes.

You can also run BCM diagnostic codes without a scanner by turning your key ON
Then OFF
Remove your radio fuse
Turn your key back to Accessories for 5 seconds and your BCM will beep
"The Beep is the same noise you hear when your lights are left on, Key is left in the ignition ect.. that sound comes out of your BCM."
After you hear it beep Turn the Key OFF
Then Immediately back to Accessories
The BCM will beep again followed by the Security Light on your Cluster
will start flashing the codes.
1 flash pause 2 flashes that is a code 12 which = BCM Diagnostic System Check
It will do that 3 times then it will start flashing out the BCM Trouble codes..

Sorry I do not have the actual codes Memorized to list them because there is specific codes for options like keyless entry and ect but that will get you started..

You can also take your dash apart so you can see the BCM
And look for a Dark blue wire going from the BCM to your Stereo that is what supplies power to your stereo you could always check the pin on that wire and see if it is loose on the BCM side.
I forget what color the power windows are.

But judging by what you are experiencing my guess is that you need a new BCM because that is what supplies the power to your stereo, interior lights and your power windows..
Use the parts numbers on the post I gave you the link for and see howmuch it costs at Gmpartsdirect.com
I think they run $150-350

But let me know how you make out electrical problems suck

[transmaro93]

thanks for the help guys.... this stuff is all new to me... how much of the dash do i have to take out to get to the bcm... and i have a really good snap on scanner at work so ill see if that can do bcm codes.... i guess ill have to do this... i just had the dash out the other day i dont remember seeing any kind of boxes or nothing behind the glove box... and also i dont have a facory radio im using an aftermarket alpine... so is there any security features that i have to worry about or can just put the new one in and turn my key let it program to my key and im done.... i dont want to have to do this twice cause i screwed it up ya know... thanks again

[transmaro93]

ok... i got the control mudule out but the part number doesnt match any of the ones on that link you sent and gmpartsdirect says the number doesnt match anything... the part number is gm# 16239981 so i guess ill just call the dealer we use and see what they come up with...

[ins0mnia24]

which one do you need with or without keyless entry?
The BCM part# with keyless entry is still good it shows $148
The BCM without keyless entry they probably changed the part number

[transmaro93]

well i have a write up from a chevy dealer i used to work for and the parts guy gave me a list of all the options my car came with from the factory (used my vin) and its saying i have code AU0 - remote keyless entry ... now when i bought the car 3 years ago it never had a remote with it... iv just been using the key in the door and turning the key to run so they car doesnt start to beep from anti-theft kicking in... im hoping even if they changed the number that they can cross reference the number... i guess i might order a remote with it too so that i can use that also since i dont have one now... and its saying my car should have one... where is the reciever located for the keyless entry or is that part of the bcm too?

[ins0mnia24]

The keyless entry receiver is built in to the BCM on 96-02 F-bodys.
I have the 93-02 Gm f-body parts disk for these cars..
I used the Body Control Module (BCM) (w/ keyless entry receiver) 97-02 #9353691 In my buddys 97 F1 Camaro..
Along with 2 new remotes..
Gmpartsdirect has it listed for $148 but I guess it wouldnt hurt to cross reference if you want
I doubt any local dealer will beat that price though when my buddy got his it was $250 I think..

[transmaro93]

hmm ok... yea ill call the dealer first because working for the body shop i get things at cost... so maybe ill get a break on that... plus i want to make sure i get the right part too id rather not mess around because most of the time electrical parts are no returnable... i just hope they give instructions or somthing because i dotn want to mess the installation of this thing up.... like i said this is all new to me i never had to do one of these before... then i guess i can reprogram the remote to the new BCM? how ever you do that...

[ins0mnia24]

Yeh the directions for programming the remote are in that post I gave you the link to on here.
Those are the basic lock and unlock functions with the remote
For the other remote options it is in any 97-02 Owners manual

[transmaro93]

ok thanks again man... ill post up how everything turns out after im done.... so lets hope for the best because after this im outa options...

[transmaro93]

well... i replaced the BCM on wed of last week... and i drove it that night, thurs night, and i took ot for a ride today... and my windows and radio have yet to cut out... so im pretty sure that its fixed.... again to the guys that helped me thank you... because i was lost (but i guess thats how you learn)... everything seems to be working fine... its funny on alldata the first thing it says under BCM is "the bcm is a very reliable part and rarely goes bad so your problem is most likely elsewhere in the wiring or somthing" haha not in my case... anyway thanks again to the fellas that helped out...

[sweetbmxrider]

haha what a great quote. glad it worked out for you

[ins0mnia24]

Cool
Glad to hear it worked out for you.