Commonly used incorrect automotive terms

[KirkEvil]

The tail panel is commonly called the berger panel because the only time it is talked about is when it is being swapped out for a black panel to mimic the berger cars.

Camaro Law: If the tail panel is to be painted or swapped out for a black panel it can there be acceptably called berger panel.

[sweetbmxrider]

or vinyled!

[KirkEvil]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

or vinyled!

The only time its OK to call my vinyl decals "berger panel" is on ebay because people are too dumb to key word search anything else.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes. 4th genners call it "Berger Pannel" because when Berger Chevy decided to work with GMMG on making some special 4th gens, they painted the tail pannel black to mimic the big block cars.
You could in fact get a large displacement 427 Gen 3 small block, but at a very high price tag from Berger/GMMG.
Most 4th genners dont know further 1993 for Camaro history. Its why they think that SS is greater then Z28.

Here is some other info

http://www.daytonapacecars.com/id16.html

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by KirkEvil

Camaro Law: If the tail panel is to be painted or swapped out for a black panel it can there be acceptably called berger panel.

If enough 4th gen guys call the moon a star should we all accept it?

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yes. 4th genners call it "Berger Pannel" because when Berger Chevy decided to work with GMMG on making some special 4th gens, they painted the tail pannel black to mimic the big block cars.
You could in fact get a large displacement 427 Gen 3 small block, but at a very high price tag from Berger/GMMG.
Most 4th genners dont know further 1993 for Camaro history. Its why they think that SS is greater then Z28.

Here is some other info

http://www.daytonapacecars.com/id16.html

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by bad64chevelle

**** I have a Lucas Tailgate.

The Camaro had a Patterson Panel.

I noticed

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

If enough 4th gen guys call the moon a star should we all accept it?

Its not?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Knipps

I noticed

Patterson is out of business. So now it is worth more.

[Mike]

unless a painter at gmmg or berger chevrolet painted your car, you DO NOT have a berger panel.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

unless a painter at gmmg or berger chevrolet painted your car, you DO NOT have a berger panel.

I have a canadian panel.

[BonzoHansen]

Jeff has a Canadian 1970 SS with an L78 and a factory black tail pan.

[WildBillyT]

Berger Chevy re-used the blacked out tail panel. They didn't come up with the idea. They wanted to throw back to hi-po cars of yesteryear- like big block first and second gens. They were taking someone else's idea. If you don't own a Berger Camaro, it's merely a blacked out tail panel. And on old muscle, it sure as **** isn't a Berger Panel.

It's really just something that pisses off early gen guys because it ignores the history behind it and it misattributes the idea to somebody who was only involved with implementation. I'll bet that most people with a blacked out tail panel don't even know why Berger did it on their special edition.

[SRGN]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

You guys sound like mustang guy arguing over which body kit is cooler.

That reminds me, a ford 302 actually rounds to a 4.9 liter and not a 5.0. ADD > me

[79CamaroDiva]

To go further into common mistakes.. A bar is not a cage and a converter is built with a certain amount of stall but is not "a stall".

[cdacda13]

This could have been a very informative thread.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by cdacda13

This could have been a very informative thread.

Still can be.

[JL8Jeff]

Ok, so you're talking about things like the "radio delete" option which isn't actually an option to delete the factory radio but rather just not ordering a radio on the earlier cars. We won't even go into the "heater delete" since in 1969 heaters with defrost became a standard safety requirement but for overseas or cars sold in Hawaii it could be omitted.

[Knipps]

Why does one drive on a parkway and park in a driveway?

[BonzoHansen]

Jeff, more like an M21 is not always a muncie. It's an option code.

[cdacda13]

What a turnaround. I'm impressed.

In third gen world a Z28 does not equal an Iroc Z. I've looked at too many third gens that were mis-advertised as an Iroc Z, but were really just a Z28.
Years 85-87 had the sport coupe, Z28 and Iroc Z and models. Years 88-90 had either base coupe (89 started back up the RS model as the base) or Iroc. After 90, the Z28 returned as top dog and the Iroc was dropped. There's no such thing as a 1992 Iroc.

[JL8Jeff]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Jeff, more like an M21 is not always a muncie. It's an option code.

Actually, you mean M20. M21 is a Muncie, M20 just means a wide ratio 4 speed transmission. If you ordered the close ratio, you got the Muncie M21 or M22 if you paid extra for the HD. The standard wide ratio was the Saginaw with the low horsepower engines and the Muncie M20 with the higher hp engines. My Z28 has an M20 Muncie. I've seen COPO 427 cars with the M20. That also brings up the mistake that COPO means high performance options. It doesn't, is just means a non standard RPO which translates to a Central Office Production Order like taxi cabs or fleet cars/trucks. COPO does not always mean high performance. Just like the X11 code on the 69 Camaro does not always mean the car is an SS like some of the books say. It just means the style trim group. I had a 69 Camaro conv 6 cyl car with the X11 trim tag. I think it was an SS 250!

And the 69 Camaro Z10 "Pace Car" coupes were not actually a Pace Car package like the Z11 convertibles truly were. That one will rub a lot of people the wrong way, but the Z10 on the trim tag just refers to a non standard paint/strip scheme on the hardtop.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

Actually, you mean M20. M21 is a Muncie, M20 just means a wide ratio 4 speed transmission. If you ordered the close ratio, you got the Muncie M21 or M22 if you paid extra for the HD. The standard wide ratio was the Saginaw with the low horsepower engines and the Muncie M20 with the higher hp engines. My Z28 has an M20 Muncie. I've seen COPO 427 cars with the M20. That also brings up the mistake that COPO means high performance options. It doesn't, is just means a non standard RPO which translates to a Central Office Production Order like taxi cabs or fleet cars/trucks. COPO does not always mean high performance. Just like the X11 code on the 69 Camaro does not always mean the car is an SS like some of the books say. It just means the style trim group. I had a 69 Camaro conv 6 cyl car with the X11 trim tag. I think it was an SS 250!

Nope, my car came factory with BW ST10. RPO M21

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro77.php#rpo

M21 Transmission, 4-speed close ratio (Z28 only) 5,114

[JL8Jeff]

Bahhh, so we're both wrong, or we're both right.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

Bahhh, so we're both wrong, or we're both right.

You're wrong unless the conversion is strictly 1st gens, then you may be correct.

[WildBillyT]

How about RPO L70?