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08-12-2009, 09:13 PM
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BigAl does his homework. He should think about a career with GM public relations. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
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08-12-2009, 10:11 PM
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BigAl does his homework. He should think about a career with GM public relations. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
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I think we have told him that before. Dunno what's stopping him.
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08-12-2009, 11:59 PM
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Yeah i would support big Al. I have yet to see him post something that is false or a 'lie' to steer people in GM's favor.
anyways... i would own a volt. my commute is only 12 miles round trip at the moment and its part time so i dont even go all the time. I would def want to have it for a day or two to see if its something i would want to keep.
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08-13-2009, 10:16 AM
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Either way at 40 grand minus whatever incentives/rebates your not going to end up saving money on gas. That is just a ridiculous assumption. The good part is that they are going to break the ice for other electric vehicles and make the technology much cheaper as it becomes more and more popular. The only reason we can build gas powered cars so cheap is the 100+ years of refinement, mass production, and popularity. An electric car is technically cheaper to build than a gas car if you were starting from scratch with no existing technology. Electric car motors/batteries are much simpler and wouldnt require many complicated cast/forged pieces or machine work like a piston motor.
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08-13-2009, 10:52 AM
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its not just gas you are saving. its the maintenance that goes along with the motor that adds up too.
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08-13-2009, 12:02 PM
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its not just gas you are saving. its the maintenance that goes along with the motor that adds up too.
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thats true. But youd end up with around a 7-800 dollar payment depending on the final cost, vs 2-300 for a cheap car. thats at least 400 bucks youd have to save every month to make it worth it. I believe in the idea but its not going to save anyone cash is what im saying. Its just going to be good for the earth, but thats not profitable!
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08-13-2009, 02:52 PM
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This car certainly isn't for everyone. And the price that is floating was a misquote from Lutz pre BK. N now GM has a much better position to make a car like this. The 40k price tag that is thrown around was at the time a guess at best.
Price could be much lower by next year.
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08-13-2009, 04:00 PM
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Either way at 40 grand minus whatever incentives/rebates your not going to end up saving money on gas. That is just a ridiculous assumption. The good part is that they are going to break the ice for other electric vehicles and make the technology much cheaper as it becomes more and more popular. The only reason we can build gas powered cars so cheap is the 100+ years of refinement, mass production, and popularity. An electric car is technically cheaper to build than a gas car if you were starting from scratch with no existing technology. Electric car motors/batteries are much simpler and wouldnt require many complicated cast/forged pieces or machine work like a piston motor.
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Actually the reason the supposed price of this car is so much because of the costly metal to produce the batteries. Lithium is not a cheap metal to mine or refine. it is a low percentage compared to other metals and is expensive. The battery alone will probably be a large portion of the cost of the vehicle. You compare a hybrid manufacture to this car and it should be close in price minus the battery.
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08-13-2009, 04:01 PM
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Actually the reason the supposed price of this car is so much because of the costly metal to produce the batteries. Lithium is not a cheap metal to mine or refine. it is a low percentage compared to other metals and is expensive. The battery alone will probably be a large portion of the cost of the vehicle. You compare a hybrid manufacture to this car and it should be close in price minus the battery.
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Makes for a great Nirvana song though.
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08-13-2009, 04:04 PM
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Makes for a great Nirvana song though.
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Off topic, From a mod no less 
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08-13-2009, 04:09 PM
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Work sucks today.
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08-13-2009, 04:28 PM
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08-13-2009, 06:41 PM
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Either way at 40 grand minus whatever incentives/rebates your not going to end up saving money on gas. That is just a ridiculous assumption. The good part is that they are going to break the ice for other electric vehicles and make the technology much cheaper as it becomes more and more popular. The only reason we can build gas powered cars so cheap is the 100+ years of refinement, mass production, and popularity. An electric car is technically cheaper to build than a gas car if you were starting from scratch with no existing technology. Electric car motors/batteries are much simpler and wouldnt require many complicated cast/forged pieces or machine work like a piston motor.
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Yea, but eh.
Ever see batteries that have been over charged? Exploded? Electric motors seized up? Or overheated?
Electric is not easy.
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08-14-2009, 01:05 AM
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Yea, but eh.
Ever see batteries that have been over charged? Exploded? Electric motors seized up? Or overheated?
Electric is not easy.
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ya but theres a reason GM has been developing it for so long. we can rest assured that GM would never put something on sale until its 100% ready
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08-14-2009, 01:34 AM
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ya but theres a reason GM has been developing it for so long. we can rest assured that GM would never put something on sale until its 100% ready
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did you miss the camaro brake weight fiasco?
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08-14-2009, 08:05 AM
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Or the battery cable starting fires.....
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08-14-2009, 08:50 AM
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Supposedly they have been running tons of simulated battery tests to make sure that the battery pack will keep a large percentage of it's initial power potential for 10 years. I have also seen several speculations that the advertised 40 mile range on a full charge is what GM thinks the car will be capable of when the batteries are 10 years old, but I don't really believe that. I can't imagine that they wouldn't be promoting a larger figure if the car was capable of it off the showroom floor.
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08-14-2009, 09:44 AM
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08-14-2009, 10:21 AM
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ya but theres a reason GM has been developing it for so long. we can rest assured that GM would never put something on sale until its 100% ready
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did you miss the camaro brake weight fiasco?
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did u miss the sarcasm?
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08-14-2009, 10:30 AM
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apparently I wasn't the only one.
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08-14-2009, 10:36 AM
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That did not seem like sarcasm... I call BS.
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08-14-2009, 10:57 AM
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That did not seem like sarcasm... I call BS.
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i was refrenceing the camaro problems;cracked bumper and the cable thing.do i have to insert asmiley to get my point across?
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08-14-2009, 10:59 AM
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i was refrenceing the camaro problems;cracked bumper and the cable thing.do i have to insert asmiley to get my point across?
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No but you have to learn how to use sarcasm over the internet, genius.
See what I did there...
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