big oops toyota..

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Anything that would take Honda "down a notch" would involve a pretty major recall. Major recalls happen over safety issues.

A ton of TSB's would take them down a notch too

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

A ton of TSB's would take them down a notch too

Meh, I'll have to disagree.

Honda is a good car maker, from my experience.

[Frosty]

So is Toyota but even Hon-duh has their problems that no one talks about.

[LS1Hawk]

Honda Recalling Cars to Fix Switch

By REUTERS
Published: January 29, 2010

TOKYO (Reuters) — Honda Motor recalled 646,000 of its Fit, Jazz and City automobiles globally because of a faulty window switch after a child died when fire broke out in a car last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/bu...l/30honda.html

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

So is Toyota but even Hon-duh has their problems that no one talks about.

I didn't say they didn't have any problems. But aside from the fact that they included wrong contact info in their owners manual I haven't seen any problems with it.

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.

With that said, we have also owned American made cars, such as GM, and Ford. If I were to begin to itemize the list of problems we had with them for the past ten years I would have to make the biggest/longest post I have ever make in my njfboa history.

And to wish a company to do bad just so some other auto maker looks better is just stupid.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by LS1Hawk

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/bu...l/30honda.html

So it takes 1 dead person for Honda to make a recall, it takes about 18 dead people for Toyota to make a recall, and for GM it takes over 1800 people (actually they never made a recall in that case.)

Didn't someone just make a recall because heated seats were catching on fire?

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Tsar

I didn't say they didn't have any problems. But aside from the fact that they included wrong contact info in their owners manual I haven't seen any problems with it.

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.

With that said, we have also owned American made cars, such as GM, and Ford. If I were to begin to itemize the list of problems we had with them for the past ten years I would have to make the biggest/longest post I have ever make in my njfboa history.

And to wish a company to do bad just so some other auto maker looks better is just stupid.

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...

Cool, you want me to tell you how many times I brought my car to get fixed and I was told "we don't know what's wrong with it?" and "take it somewhere else".

[LS1Hawk]

My GF has a 2008 Accord with about 25K miles and that thing has been to the dealer many times.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by LS1Hawk

My GF has a 2008 Accord with about 25K miles and that thing has been to the dealer many times.

For what reason, precisely. I'm just interested. Was it because the seat was going to catch on fire? Because car will accelerate uncontrollably? Breaks don't work?

My step dad drives an accord, I think it has 60k+ miles on it, it's a 2006 has been to the dealer 0 times, and it would be lucky if it had 5 oil changes. And it doesn't rattle

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Cool, you want me to tell you how many times I brought my car to get fixed and I was told "we don't know what's wrong with it?" and "take it somewhere else".

No, just to show that Hondas aren't free from Auto industry BS either. The trans pop thing to them is like the window motors are to us. Even the "fix" works like crap. My mom's Explorer went from 1999 to 2009, only visiting the dealer for maintenance, Firestone crap, and to fix squirrel eaten plug wires. That's not to say Explorers are good, just that there is good and bad with each manufacturer.

[BonzoHansen]

All my Hondas have been back for warranty work and recalls. Nothing that would kill me. I still think they make a decent car, as much as I despise the last one I bought, and would consider another. My Olds has gone in for warranty work. Again nothing that would kill me and I would buy another GM as well.

All makes have issues. All of them.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Tsar, my uncle has a 01 Civic with 70k miles, trans just took a crap two weeks ago. Look it up online, it's an extremely common occurence.

[BonzoHansen]

My 93 Civic EX, the input shaft bearing started growling at 37,000 and dealer told me too bad. I later fixed it myself and had no other major issues for the ~160,000 I put on it. Perhaps the best car I will ever own. Each Honda I've owned since I like less.

[LS1Hawk]

Originally Posted by Tsar

For what reason, precisely. I'm just interested. Was it because the seat was going to catch on fire? Because car will accelerate uncontrollably? Breaks don't work?

Actually, she has had problems with the seat motor She brought it in a few times because it is ungodly slow. They replaced the seat and it still wasn't right. The dealer then told her, "Accords just have bad seats." Around 15K miles she needed new brakes. She drives 90% highway...but even so I don't know how brakes can go bad that quick. And recently it has had some trouble starting...not taken in yet.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Tsar

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.

I have owned 4 newer GM vihicles and I can say I havent had any major problems with any of them. EVERYONE has a story about how this or that vehicle was great and the entire time I owned it I didnt have any problems. I used to work at a garage and ALL vehicles come in with regular problems that all cars have. Doesnt mean Honda is better than any other company

[BonzoHansen]

How about the mid 90s honda accords that all ate distributors. lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...

Yeah, its a huge problem with Si's.

Originally Posted by Tsar

So it takes 1 dead person for Honda to make a recall, it takes about 18 dead people for Toyota to make a recall, and for GM it takes over 1800 people (actually they never made a recall in that case.)

Didn't someone just make a recall because heated seats were catching on fire?

Yes, 1800 give or take.
Its possible it has been more then 18 people died from a Toyota problem. And death doesnt always have to be a result in poor quality. How many countless sludge motors were passed off in the 90's and early 00's on the owners? How long was Toyota going to blame people for smashing the floor mat up under the gas pedal?

No one died in a Vibe, yet GM recalled the car because they MIGHT have a problem.

[FlyingDutchman]

wait... what about hondas ?? additional recalls over driver side airbags see the link!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Honda-...38192.html?x=0

yahoo!

[Savage_Messiah]

Honda airbag recall is insane. Been going on for MONTHS (they ship the airbags back to the company thru fedex ground, I see them every day)

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yeah, its a huge problem with Si's.



Yes, 1800 give or take.
Its possible it has been more then 18 people died from a Toyota problem. And death doesnt always have to be a result in poor quality. How many countless sludge motors were passed off in the 90's and early 00's on the owners? How long was Toyota going to blame people for smashing the floor mat up under the gas pedal?

No one died in a Vibe, yet GM recalled the car because they MIGHT have a problem.

There's no need to get your panties all twisted up over statistics, I didn't make them up. You can thank GM for doing such a good job.

As far as sludge motors go, lets just say that; dead people > sludge motors. Which one would you pick



Oh and I saw the Honda recall today, when I woke up

Looks like I made a right decision by avoiding all of those companies.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Looks like I made a right decision by avoiding all of those companies.

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/r...bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/...ll_101932.html

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/r...bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/...ll_101932.html

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

On top of that it's a ****load of cars, and seems like the list grows every day.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/r...bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/...ll_101932.html

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

Hey I never said other manufacturers didn't make recalls. Why do people insist on putting words in my mouth?

However, when you have car companies recalling cars that can kills you, the following is hardly anything to worry about, at least for me.

�TIRE SELECTION AND RIMS.� THE AFFECTED VEHICLES WERE EQUIPPED WITH 17 INCH WHEELS, BUT THEIR LABEL STATES THAT THEY WERE EQUIPPED WITH 16 INCH WHEELS.

So BMW gave their customers a wrong label that no one ever looks at.... Yes, bad BMW but I'll pick that over fire catching heated seats

And the fix? New sticker + 2 hp!

Just saying...

But yea to restate, Yes everyone makes mistakes. However, some make BIGGER mistakes than others.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Tsar

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So BMW gave their customers 17's vs 16's.... Poor customers .

quote the whole thing at least, they gave the wrong recommended tire pressures as well, potential blow outs ftw