big oops toyota..

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Come on, there are so many ways around that...

Edit* plus what are the odds that he is the ONLY person that has documents that can "put the final nail in a Toyota coffin"? I'm gonna go with slim.

If they are internal documents with only a few names on them other than his, then the only thing that's slim is the size of the universe of people that can prove they exist. What would he claim if they got "leaked"? That it wasn't him, somebody hacked Toyota's servers and specifically grabbed those documents?

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

If they are internal documents with only a few names on them other than his, then the only thing that's slim is the size of the universe of people that can prove they exist. What would he claim if they got "leaked"? That it wasn't him, somebody hacked Toyota's servers and specifically grabbed those documents?

Hacked, stolen, left his computer open and someone got in. Everyone makes "mistakes".

Recently I got a piece of mail from one of the top US intel agencies, it went something like this;

"Because you have traveled on our behalf during the period of XXX we have all of your information on file. Unfortunately, the information was not protected and anyone with access to our computers could have access to it. Every person in the compound is required to have a top secret clearance so the chance of identity theft is minimal, although possible. If you suspect that you have been a victim of identity theft please contact us as soon as possible".

This was a letter from an agency that has WAY more money and way more security that Toyota can dream of, despite that they exposed MY information, and information of other people who were tagged with me on those documents... Do you know what Toyota security procedures are? I doubt it. Does Toyota require their employees to have a top secret clearance, I doubt it. Is it possible to steal info from Toyota? It's possible to steal anything from anyone.

More serious stuff has "leaked" in the past.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Hacked, stolen, left his computer open and someone got in. Everyone makes "mistakes".

Recently I got a piece of mail from one of the top US intel agencies, it went something like this;

"Because you have traveled on our behalf during the period of XXX we have all of your information on file. Unfortunately, the information was not protected and anyone with access to our computers could have access to it. Every person in the compound is required to have a top secret clearance so the chance of identity theft is minimal, although possible. If you suspect that you have been a victim of identity theft please contact us as soon as possible".

This was a letter from an agency that has WAY more money and way more security that Toyota can dream of, despite that they exposed MY information, and information of other people who were tagged with me on those documents... Do you know what Toyota security procedures are? I doubt it. Does Toyota require their employees to have a top secret clearance, I doubt it. Is it possible to steal info from Toyota? It's possible to steal anything from anyone.

More serious stuff has "leaked" in the past.

The government is a bad example, but I get it. The thing is that the documents in question were probably only seen by a select few (a guess based on how nobody else mentioned they have them) so hackers or ID thieves would probably have no idea what they were, or what they look like. Unless he's dumb enough to have a folder marked "SECRET TOYOTA DOCS" on his machine. If 10 people know they exist and who might have them then only 10 people are "in charge of their security".

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

The government is a bad example, but I get it. The thing is that the documents in question were probably only seen by a select few (a guess based on how nobody else mentioned they have them) so hackers or ID thieves would probably have no idea what they were, or what they look like. Unless he's dumb enough to have a folder marked "SECRET TOYOTA DOCS" on his machine. If 10 people know they exist and who might have them then only 10 people are "in charge of their security".

Well if he is leaking them on purpose then he would have no problem saying that he had a folder named "secret toyota docs" and it was hacked. Of course, if he wanted to keep them private than it would be a pretty dumb move to have them marked as such, but that's not what we are talking about here

Is there a statue that says that one must go above and beyond to safeguard documents that are not classified? <- real question.

[Featherburner]

They know he has the documents.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/10/toy...wer/index.html

[SteveR]

The Government decided today to hit Toyota with the largest automaker fine in history.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/..._toyota_recall

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://www.fquick.com/blog/GM_To_Ins...e_in_Cars/3782 Hyundai does this now too I know

[SteveR]

more oops


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100407/..._toyota_recall

[SteveR]

latest oops


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Consum...&asset=&ccode=

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by SteveR

latest oops


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Consum...&asset=&ccode=

Saw that on tv. I also found humorous the "could cause a roll over" line. I "can" cause a rollover in any SUV

Also

"In a real world situation, by that time, the car can hit the curb or the side of the road and that's the situation where, in a vehicle like that, it could cause it to roll over,"

Pretty sure if the curb is high enough pretty much any SUV will roll over given enough speed

[LS1Hawk]

It is amazing that CR is actually calling a Toyota product unsafe.

[FlyingDutchman]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Saw that on tv. I also found humorous the "could cause a roll over" line. I "can" cause a rollover in any SUV

Also Pretty sure if the curb is high enough pretty much any SUV will roll over given enough speed

I think the point was that the electronic stability control kicked in way to late to do anything. Anyone can flip an SUV lol

[Frosty]

Toyota deserves to be run through the mud but it seems like everyone is trying to take a shot at them, it's going overboard IMO.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Toyota deserves to be run through the mud but it seems like everyone is trying to take a shot at them, it's going overboard IMO.

I agree to a point, but when Consumer Reports does it, you know it's bad. They are the biggest Toyota nuthuggers alive.

- Justin

[Tsar]

Lexus Stops Selling S.U.V. That Was Called Unsafe

[SteveR]

I just saw the test video on tv. Wow, that Lexus looks like a drift car

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by SteveR

I just saw the test video on tv. Wow, that Lexus looks like a drift car

yea I saw that on tv, but how many people will actually push their car?For example, my mom doesn't go fast enough around a turn for her Caddy to lean on one side or another - she says, if it leans it's going too fast............ She probably doesn't even know that her car has stability control

[Tru2Chevy]

That's very true. Anyone driving one of those that "accidentally" gets into a lift throttle oversteer situation is a whackjob anyway.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Saw that on tv. I also found humorous the "could cause a roll over" line. I "can" cause a rollover in any SUV

Also Pretty sure if the curb is high enough pretty much any SUV will roll over given enough speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxUS5DByrgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=possmqmq2rw

[Tru2Chevy]

Watch it slide here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOgLushL40

Jump ahead to the :40 second mark.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

it didn't roll.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

it didn't roll.

To be fair they did say it "COULD ROLL" not that it did roll.

Seems like someone was a little overzealous.

[BonzoHansen]

w/o cool electronics that bitch rolls like a bowling ball.

[SteveR]

Here's some more


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/..._toyota_recall

[BigAls87Z28]

Vitals is still supporting Toyota, yet thrashes GM at the drop of a hat.
He drags out a 35 year old recall, but pretends that all of what is going on is not a big deal.
Love it. And Im the nut-hugger.