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BigAls87Z28 · 11-07-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LS1ow

acura is to honda as GMC is to chevy thou?

and a GTR is still a nissan lol

and oh btw... i didnt know you had kids....

No on all counts, sans GTR. I guess that counts. Replace Nissan with Hyundai and Kia.
AWD doesn't make or break the company.

GMC makes all trucks, so that would disqualify the whole car AWD thing.
Buick would be your best best. Buick has 1 AWD sedan.

BonzoHansen · 11-07-2011, 08:25 PM

AWD is overrated for a DD unless you live in the great white north. extra weight, more things to break, reduced mileage. if AWD is a deal breaker for a $15,000 car you're in trouble.

r0nin89 · 11-08-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

AWD is overrated for a DD unless you live in the great white north. extra weight, more things to break, reduced mileage. if AWD is a deal breaker for a $15,000 car you're in trouble.

Considering moving to the great white north. Therefor AWD begins to become more of a concern for the GF...

It has nothing to do with it being a $15,000 car. It has to do with me wanting to by a Chevy and this car fitting in the arena of possibly competing with other AWD cars out there.

88WS-6 · 11-08-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

AWD is overrated for a DD unless you live in the great white north. extra weight, more things to break, reduced mileage. if AWD is a deal breaker for a $15,000 car you're in trouble.

5k clutch dump + AWD = better than FWD

But I get what you're saying about the DD part. So in a car like say the Ford Fusion, which is FWD standard AWD optioned, if you get AWD is it FWD with a second drive unit to the rear wheels or rear wheel drive with a drive unit to the front wheels (like an SUV)?

I'm assuming FWD with a unit for the back since the motor would still be over the front axle...

BigAls87Z28 · 11-08-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 88WS-6

5k clutch dump + AWD = better than FWD

But I get what you're saying about the DD part. So in a car like say the Ford Fusion, which is FWD standard AWD optioned, if you get AWD is it FWD with a second drive unit to the rear wheels or rear wheel drive with a drive unit to the front wheels (like an SUV)?

I'm assuming FWD with a unit for the back since the motor would still be over the front axle...

AWD system only activates when it's slipping.

WildBillyT · 11-08-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 88WS-6

5k clutch dump + AWD = better than FWD

But I get what you're saying about the DD part. So in a car like say the Ford Fusion, which is FWD standard AWD optioned, if you get AWD is it FWD with a second drive unit to the rear wheels or rear wheel drive with a drive unit to the front wheels (like an SUV)?

I'm assuming FWD with a unit for the back since the motor would still be over the front axle...

Actually, when I am looking I am specifically NOT looking for an AWD Fusion.

And it's not better than FWD when it kicks parts out from under the rockers.

qwikz28 · 11-08-2011, 08:49 AM

I'm curious about highway noise and seat quality. Don't forget to include that in the review.

88WS-6 · 11-08-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Actually, when I am looking I am specifically NOT looking for an AWD Fusion.

And it's not better than FWD when it kicks parts out from under the rockers.

True, no one likes that. And to ammend my previous statement:
5k clutch dump + true rear-wheel-main-drive AWD =

If they made the Sonic with an AWD option it would drive like a FWD car anyway. That's no fun. AWD WRXs, Evos and G37s are a different story... They drive like RWD but with more grip and a nasty launch.

I would have liked to have seen the Sonic as an RWD hatch with available AWD 6 speed. That I would buy.

Blacdout96 · 11-08-2011, 12:14 PM

Toyota Venza is available with AWD.

sweetbmxrider · 11-08-2011, 12:26 PM

On a scale of 1 to Pah!, where would you rate this 2012 Chevrolet Sonic LTZ 1.4T?

LTb1ow · 11-08-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

On a scale of 1 to Pah!, where would you rate this 2012 Chevrolet Sonic LTZ 1.4T?

Would like to know as well.

LS1ow · 11-08-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

AWD system only activates when it's slipping.

i hope your not talking about all awd systems lol

and whats the deal with your children?

Tru2Chevy · 11-08-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LS1ow

i hope your not talking about all awd systems lol

No, he's talking about the Fusion's setup.

- Justin

LTb1ow · 11-08-2011, 05:18 PM

Can you powershift into 4x4?

BigAls87Z28 · 11-08-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Toyota Venza is available with AWD.

Venza is an SUV. Disqualified

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

On a scale of 1 to Pah!, where would you rate this 2012 Chevrolet Sonic LTZ 1.4T?

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Would like to know as well.

Well, it's not a 1, so its Pah!

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Originally Posted by LS1ow

i hope your not talking about all awd systems lol

and whats the deal with your children?

No, not AWD systems, because not all AWD systems are created equal, and not all AWD systems from the same automaker are the same either.

Systems like quattro, SH-AWD, x-Drive, and Cadillac's semi-Haldex system are pretty cool. Most AWD systems used in your average car are average.

What children are you talking about? I assume this is a set up....

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Can you powershift into 4x4?

Twice...used one already. Was gunna save it the 2nd one for pics with Pal, but Pal said nahnah, going to the First State.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-08-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

I'm curious about highway noise and seat quality. Don't forget to include that in the review.

Holy ****, a legit question.

Highway noise is pretty calm, but depends on the grade of pavement. Wind noise is very low, you have to be traveling pretty fast to hear it, thanks to a helping hand from Buick.
The noise you hear in the cabin is from the tires. On some rougher roads, it can be odd. Thing is, usually when I hear lots of road noise, I expect a ****** ride, but in fact this car does a pretty good job of absorbing impacts. I suspect that some of the road noise is amplified by the hatchback cabin.

LS1ow · 11-08-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

No, not AWD systems, because not all AWD systems are created equal, and not all AWD systems from the same automaker are the same either.

Systems like quattro, SH-AWD, x-Drive, and Cadillac's semi-Haldex system are pretty cool. Most AWD systems used in your average car are average.

What children are you talking about? I assume this is a set up....

ahhh ok. i love the quattro in my audi. its amazing for terrorizing snow covered areas.

and since i do not have your #, plz get adam to forward you the photo of you and your children

Blacdout96 · 11-10-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Venza is an SUV. Disqualified

It's a Crossover, based on the Camry chassis.

qwikz28 · 11-10-2011, 08:57 PM

I'm debating going to the dealer tomorrow and taking one for a joy ride. Looks like a really fun car. Since my Saturn in 05, the only car I've test driven from the dealer was my mom's Audi. Might be fun...

Blacdout96 · 11-11-2011, 06:55 AM

I do like it as well, but if I was serious about getting one, I'll wait to see:
A. any problems they may develop since it's a first year run.
B. See if they come out with that awesome looking sport model (black/orange one)

I will say that GM is heading in the right direction, keeping both compact economical cars, yet not leaving, or compensating the sports car catagory. Reminds me of Honda/Toyota in the mid 90's.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-11-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

It's a Crossover, based on the Camry chassis.

There are a lot of Camry-based vehicles that are not cars. Highlander and RX also are based on Camry.
Pilot, Ridgeline, and Odyssey are all loosely based on the American Accord platform.

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

I'm debating going to the dealer tomorrow and taking one for a joy ride. Looks like a really fun car. Since my Saturn in 05, the only car I've test driven from the dealer was my mom's Audi. Might be fun...

It is a fantastic driving car, but if you want to wait a year or so, wait for the MyLink system because it is that good.

69BirdX · 11-11-2011, 07:49 AM

I was just about to ask you about this car. If I were to pick between two cars right now. It would be this or the focus. My question is what ate the wheel options. Is chevy gonna gave an upgrade for mags. Ford has a good selection for the focus

BigAls87Z28 · 11-11-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 69BirdX

I was just about to ask you about this car. If I were to pick between two cars right now. It would be this or the focus. My question is what ate the wheel options. Is chevy gonna gave an upgrade for mags. Ford has a good selection for the focus

Wheels start at 15, go up to 17 inch, all standard alloy.

Focus is a bigger car. Sonic is in Fiesta's class. I would say that the Sonic is much more fun to drive than Focus, but Focus's interior is a lot better, mostly due to the higher cost. Feature list on Focus is massive, and you can build that sucker right to 30k.

69BirdX · 11-11-2011, 07:58 AM

So far I like the feature list alot better on the focus. But this sonic has me curious. Any ideas on how it'll handle in the snow?

BigAls87Z28 · 11-11-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 69BirdX

So far I like the feature list alot better on the focus. But this sonic has me curious. Any ideas on how it'll handle in the snow?

The car is built and tested to be sold around the world, so I assume it should be more then ok. Nothing a set of snow tires wouldn't get you through.