Joe Paterno is gone as head coach of PSU

[Slow-V6]

So if a older student witnesses my kid getting molested in the bathroom by an assistant coach at school, doesnt do anything but tells the head coach of football. The Head coach tells his boss and then nothing happens is that right? Isnt it the Head Coachs job/responsibility as a human to follow up especially since nothing has happend and you see the assistant coach every day? Paterno shouldnt go to jail but it was right that he got fired and that it will tarnish his legacy. My mom was a 3rd grade teacher and they got training on how to handle these situations. You tell your bosses but you also follow up. Paterno is the biggest name in State College. He basically was a God up there.. All he had to do was after a few days of nothing happening report it himself to the police..

[91chevywt]

There's at least one instance where the police were informed of an incident, if you read the report. Who's to say the police weren't part of sweeping it under the rug? The whole situation is bigger than where it's at right now. Seems Paterno has been shoved out to the front of this as a sacrifice by those whom bear the most responsibility.

It looks like Sandusky's "Second Mile Foundation" along with the PSU admin. need to be scrutinized more than they have been. As long as Paterno is being focused on, those truly responsible parties have more time for damage control. If there's any credibility to the surfacing child trafficking rumors, this could be much bigger than it is now.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by 91chevywt

There's at least one instance where the police were informed of an incident, if you read the report. Who's to say the police weren't part of sweeping it under the rug? The whole situation is bigger than where it's at right now. Seems Paterno has been shoved out to the front of this as a sacrifice by those whom bear the most responsibility.

It looks like Sandusky's "Second Mile Foundation" along with the PSU admin. need to be scrutinized more than they have been. As long as Paterno is being focused on, those truly responsible parties have more time for damage control. If there's any credibility to the surfacing child trafficking rumors, this could be much bigger than it is now.

I think Paterno's out in front certainly because he's the most famous and revered but also because he's the only one you can really debate- since it's a moral judgement call and everybody is different. Nobody argues about:

Sandusky- The Pedo
Schultz- Perjury, so far
Curley- Perjury, so far
Spanier- PA law, so far

As they all broke a law.

McQueary is the only outlier in my opinion.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Paterno is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

We aren't talking what's legally right surrounding his departure in particular.

He's not being charged at present

He's not going to go to prison at present

All the man did was lose his job for being too apathetic. In a lot of cases you don't need evidence of anything to fire somebody. It's not any type of legal proceeding. There was rumors of sexual assault in his locker room and all he did was contact his superiors (according to the court documents). It's not like it was a rumor of some guy stealing copy paper or q-tips from the trainer's office. It was rape. Of a child.

He made a bad judgement call and got fired for it. That happens every day. Why should he be special?

i meant Paterno probably gave the guy the benefit of the doubt when he heard the report. he turned him in and the investigation turned up nothing.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

i meant Paterno probably gave the guy the benefit of the doubt when he heard the report. he turned him in and the investigation turned up nothing.

I understand that we as regular schmoes do not have access to all the behind the scenes data. But according to sworn testimony there was no investigation, just a few meetings among a few staff members. Nobody else looked in to it until much later. And that is illegal in the state of PA.

Not for nothing, but if what McQueary said was true it would have been easy to build a case and prove guilt.

[LTb1ow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g

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[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g

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terrible terrible ''artist''

[KirkEvil]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

terrible terrible ''artist''

I meant the video foo

[LTb1ow]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ues_to_re.html

lulz

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ues_to_re.html

lulz

Just wait until the governor gets involved.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Just wait until the governor gets involved.

pension law is tough to negotiate. it will all come down to wrong doing at the work place.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

pension law is tough to negotiate. it will all come down to wrong doing at the work place.

What about wrong doing at the workplace after your retirement?

- Justin

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

pension law is tough to negotiate. it will all come down to wrong doing at the work place.

What if you are convicted of a felony?

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

What if you are convicted of a felony?

You prob get more money.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

What if you are convicted of a felony?

if it is outside of your scope of duties, probably no impact. DUI is a felony but if it wasn't at work it might just be a termination. So just the usual vesting & service rules apply.

each pension is a specific contract and each one can have it's own provisions. so if the issue leads to your dismissal that may or may not forfeit the pension, depending on how it is written. we are talking about a state employee plan here, so my guess is the rules favor the employee so they'd have to found guilt of high misconduct on the job if that. that plan would have been written by politicians who are in the plan, so what is your guess on forfeiture rules?

[88WS-6]

Earlier this year Irvington's mayor was convicted of taking kickbacks and they are still debating his pension. I'm not sure how PA law is, but if it's close to NJ then they may still be paid after serving prison and even during the sentence.


http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_pag...our_pensi.html

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

we are talking about a state employee plan here, so my guess is the rules favor the employee so they'd have to found guilt of high misconduct on the job if that. that plan would have been written by politicians who are in the plan, so what is your guess on forfeiture rules?

I hope ****ing a 10 year old boy in the ass counts as high misconduct.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

I hope ****ing a 10 year old boy in the ass counts as high misconduct.

It will probably depend on if it happened at/during work, and if not if the pension has some kind of morals clause. I would be surprised if a state works plan has a non-work issues morals clause.

[LS1ow]

i havent really followed whats going on. whenever its on sportscenter or anything i change the channel. i have some friends that go to penn state, and they tell me the moral around campus is really down. JoePa was a huge part of there spirit.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LS1ow

i havent really followed whats going on. whenever its on sportscenter or anything i change the channel. i have some friends that go to penn state, and they tell me the moral around campus is really down. JoePa was a huge part of there spirit.

Although you meant morale, your typo is still applicable.

[LS1ow]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Although you meant morale, your typo is still applicable.

(y)

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by LS1ow

(y)

Lack of morale, meaning their douchnozzle coach is gone and they lost epicly last weekend.

Lack of moral, their douchnozzle coach lets old men rape little boys.

[LS1ow]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Lack of morale, meaning their douchnozzle coach is gone and they lost epicly last weekend.

Lack of moral, their douchnozzle coach lets old men rape little boys.

i see what you did there

[NastyEllEssWon]

he still didnt do anything wrong. he did what he was supposed to do. he cant just crucify someone he's known a long time after police investigation and school investigation turn up nothing. anyone can easily make the claim someone is fiddling with kids, doesnt make it true.

[BonzoHansen]

the more I hear and read he was completely complicit in covering up child molestation to protect the program. Unforgivable.