2014 Z28

[Mike]

They can sell zl1's to lots of midlife crisis guys who loved f bodies as kids but got away from them and now want a new one

They can only sell these to enthusiasts and the odd collector. So I doubt they will make more

[sweetbmxrider]

You really think its a stripped down ss with fancy seats?

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

I didnt realize there was another page in this discussion when I posted.

What special Z parts? Some badges and some seats? There is absolutely no way this car should cost more than a ZL1

Clearly you didn't read any of the links.
LS7 costs more to make than the LSA. The carbon ceramic brakes cost ten grand more. The light weight glass costs more. The special front splitter, and other Z28 specific body parts cost more. The Z28 spec suspension, wheels, R- Compound tires, and standard Recaros cost more.
Add in additional cost of deleting things, and you have a price tag of 60k+
This is not a badge job.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Clearly you didn't read any of the links.

I did not read the links, whoops. Aint no one got time for dat.

I didnt realize it had carbon ceramic brakes.

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

LS7 costs more to make than the LSA.

I did not read the links, whoops. I didnt realize it had carbon ceramic brakes.

I was mixing up the LSA with the LS9, I thought the prices were about 12k off, but the retail on the LSA is about the same as the LS7

[1QWIKBIRD]

That is the car I envision (or as close as I could hope for in today's hyper litigious world) when I think Z28. I'm not a huge 5th gen fan at all, but the car looks lower, thinner vertically (does that even make sense) and wider. GM finally grew a set and took stuff out to make it lighter, versus adding worthless crap then overcompensating with power, bigger wheels etc. and forcing convenience packages down your throat when performance packages are added.

Finally they go it right.....

I'd put money down tonight if the sticker was low to mid 40's, but apparently that's no where near where the price point will be.......Oh well, guess I gotta finish the junk in my garage.......

[BigAls87Z28]

You would like the 1LE.

[Blacdout96]

If it was worthy of using the rpo 1le that is.

[coolmanvette75]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

If it was worthy of using the rpo 1le that is.

This. I think the Z28 is more of a "1LE" by design honestly...

[Jersey Mike]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

Wonder how long before someone cuts the window open and sticks a maggie through there

Well, that didn't take long

[Mike]

Nice wheels

[WildBillyT]

It's a car that fills a niche that consumers were asking for. How many times has the "less weight" or "less crap" drum been beaten?

The original first gen Z/28s that everybody lusts over are inferior to first gen SS cars in every way on the street. On a road course that's different. It seems the same way here, maybe with the exception of power.

[Blacdout96]

I can agree with that WBT, but it's not the fact that weight is the issue, it's the designation of the rpo's and what they represented to the Camaro heritage that I have a problem with. We talk about bringing the Corvette into the mid engine rear wheel drive era, but to please the Corvette enthusiests, that may well never happen, the Corvette heritage must remain as a FR design. The ZR-1 is still the top banana Corvette, the ZO6 is still the track ready beast to take on the corners (just like the 60's and 90's ZO6). The Grand Sports name got tarnished with the 1996 model, yet from the 96 and today's GS, they have stuck with the track style ready car, without having a crazy engine in it, so to me, they have stuck to what the RPO and edition traditions to the Corvette, but the Camaro has had more Hodge podge spinoffs then I care to hear about. This is what the Camaro editions should of had, and what RPO and designations they should of been.

-SS - stay as is, allows for entry level V8 customers looking to drive to the local wawa to buy milk. Ment to compete agaisnt 5.0 Mustang

-1LE - new small displacement LT engine with Z28 & ZL1 suspension, optional or deleted items such as A/C and radio, Recaro seats, mainly track oriented, suited for Boss 302 Mustang L.S. edition. Comes only standard transmission.

-Z28 - more of a road and buyer friendly styled 1LE based, most, if not all options standard, less customer checks off not what they want. Both standard and auto trans available. Suspension stays as what it was unveiled with. Small displacement engine, same as in 1LE. Made to compete against Boss 302 Mustang.

-ZLI - Road friendly, but track ready after a few tweaks car. Current ZL1 tires and rims, suspension less road racing oriented, standard and auto trans available, and most important, 7.0 litre engine.Made to compete against Shelby GT500/Rush/Saleen.

- COPO - more track oriented ZLI. Just like 1le, standard items are optional, or removed, and comes with LSA engine. Made to compete against Ford Cobra Jet program.

It's just my opinion on what the order and options should of been, and I feel as an enthusiest, is the correct build and RPO designation for those models.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I can agree with that WBT, but it's not the fact that weight is the issue, it's the designation of the rpo's and what they represented to the Camaro heritage that I have a problem with. We talk about bringing the Corvette into the mid engine rear wheel drive era, but to please the Corvette enthusiests, that may well never happen, the Corvette heritage must remain as a FR design. The ZR-1 is still the top banana Corvette, the ZO6 is still the track ready beast to take on the corners (just like the 60's and 90's ZO6). The Grand Sports name got tarnished with the 1996 model, yet from the 96 and today's GS, they have stuck with the track style ready car, without having a crazy engine in it, so to me, they have stuck to what the RPO and edition traditions to the Corvette, but the Camaro has had more Hodge podge spinoffs then I care to hear about. This is what the Camaro editions should of had, and what RPO and designations they should of been.

-SS - stay as is, allows for entry level V8 customers looking to drive to the local wawa to buy milk. Ment to compete agaisnt 5.0 Mustang

-1LE - new small displacement LT engine with Z28 & ZL1 suspension, optional or deleted items such as A/C and radio, Recaro seats, mainly track oriented, suited for Boss 302 Mustang L.S. edition. Comes only standard transmission.

-Z28 - more of a road and buyer friendly styled 1LE based, most, if not all options standard, less customer checks off not what they want. Both standard and auto trans available. Suspension stays as what it was unveiled with. Small displacement engine, same as in 1LE. Made to compete against Boss 302 Mustang.

-ZLI - Road friendly, but track ready after a few tweaks car. Current ZL1 tires and rims, suspension less road racing oriented, standard and auto trans available, and most important, 7.0 litre engine.Made to compete against Shelby GT500/Rush/Saleen.

- COPO - more track oriented ZLI. Just like 1le, standard items are optional, or removed, and comes with LSA engine. Made to compete against Ford Cobra Jet program.

It's just my opinion on what the order and options should of been, and I feel as an enthusiest, is the correct build and RPO designation for those models.

im just gonna wait over here >>>
im sure someone will be here shortly to discuss with you everything thats wrong with what you just said. I havent the time.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

-SS - stay as is, allows for entry level V8 customers looking to drive to the local wawa to buy milk. Ment to compete agaisnt 5.0 Mustang

Alright

-1LE - new small displacement LT engine with Z28 & ZL1 suspension, optional or deleted items such as A/C and radio, Recaro seats, mainly track oriented, suited for Boss 302 Mustang L.S. edition. Comes only standard transmission.

Why small displacement? 1LE was a suspension and brake package for the two most powerful versions of the Z28 for third gens, and a suspension upgrade for the 4th gen.
1LE would be akin to the Boss 302 LS, not the regular Boss.

-Z28 - more of a road and buyer friendly styled 1LE based, most, if not all options standard, less customer checks off not what they want. Both standard and auto trans available. Suspension stays as what it was unveiled with. Small displacement engine, same as in 1LE. Made to compete against Boss 302 Mustang.

Eh, Z28 has changed throughout the years. If we are to compare all Z28's to the first gen, then the Z died in 1969.
A higher output LS3 would be cool, but a lighter weight, hand built, 7k RPM, dry-sumped LS7 works too.
No auto trans.

-ZLI - Road friendly, but track ready after a few tweaks car. Current ZL1 tires and rims, suspension less road racing oriented, standard and auto trans available, and most important, 7.0 litre engine.Made to compete against Shelby GT500/Rush/Saleen.

Going to need more than 7 liters to keep up with 660-700hp.

- COPO - more track oriented ZLI. Just like 1le, standard items are optional, or removed, and comes with LSA engine. Made to compete against Ford Cobra Jet program.

COPO car is exactly that. It's a straight up and down race car.

I can overlook the fact that the Z has the LS7, because the LS7 is above and beyond the greatest of the Gen III/IV engines.
The rest of the car is pure insanity.

[jam01]

this is funny how some hate on the camaro, i personally did not like the third gen when they first came out, they grew on me and i have owned several. gm offered more packages as the years went by, not all good but at least they were there. they were never that quick or had much hp you just had to know how to improve upon what you had. when the 4th gen came out i almost bought one the first year, but i am glad i waited and have a 02. now we have 10ss and we like it, its fun to drive has power and handles well on the street. now i still remember people bitching about not having enough options available throughout the years and i guess that will never end. why cant people be happy that these are available, the 6 cyl is 312 hp the standard ss is 426. if price is a problem, that's why imports are for sale in this country.

[12secondv6]

I think it is a hot car!

[greenformula92]

[PolarBear]

I just read this and I thought I put in perspective to people that think they can "build it cheaper"

GMHTP

[LTb1ow]

$75k?

How many will actually be used for what that price tag gets you?

[WildBillyT]

Four.

[Slow-V6]

I watched the Jay Lenos Garage on the Z28 and man that car looks sick. Not really a 5th gen fan but Jay gave it a ton of praise. He even got stopped by a couple people on the street as they thought the car was bad ass as well!!

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by LTb1ow

$75k?

How many will actually be used for what that price tag gets you?

lol Jesus H....75k. i know its a lot of car....but 75k for a camaro....never thought I'd see it

[damon_Z]

Looks good. I wish GM can just ditch the big front bow tie and put a big Z28 or classic SS emblem on there.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by damon_Z

Looks good. I wish GM can just ditch the big front bow tie and put a big Z28 or classic SS emblem on there.

It's not an SS, so not sure why they would do that.....

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

It's not an SS, so not sure why they would do that.....

Maybe he meant in general about all 5th gens?