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			Hi Everybody, I'm starting my LS build and I need a good machine shop. 
Preferably in North Jersey but I'm willing to travel. 
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			I used Haledon Auto, Steve did a great job setting up my LT1. Solid NNJ shop. 
 
If you're willing to travel there's Josh at JSPerformance (Sponsor), a lot of positive reviews from members here, too.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Hi Everybody, I'm starting my LS build and I need a good machine. 
Preferably in North Jersey but I'm willing to travel. 
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			Josh @ JS Performance has built several motors for members including custom clutches and everyone has been very happy and said it was worth the drive. He's right over the Jersey border in Hulmeville PA. 
Dave @ EFX is down the shore if that is more your speed.
 
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				Josh @ JS Performance has built several motors for members including custom clutches and everyone has been very happy and said it was worth the drive. He's right over the Jersey border in Hulmeville PA. 
 
 
 
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 I had my LT1 assembled there and my LS1 heads. Guy is awesome
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Josh @ JS Performance has built several motors for members including custom clutches and everyone has been very happy and said it was worth the drive. He's right over the Jersey border in Hulmeville PA. 
			
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			What Nick said, my dad was using him before I was born! 
Ceralli Competition Engines in Paterson 
Extremely good been doing it forever and he has a younger guy Matt that works there who is well versed in LS engines
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				What Nick said, my dad was using him before I was born! 
Ceralli Competition Engines in Paterson 
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			Star Crank in Port Jervis, NY. I've never had him assemble a motor for me but all his machine work has always been spot on. He does everything imaginable. Very knowledgeable guy too.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				I used Haledon Auto, Steve did a great job setting up my LT1. Solid NNJ shop. 
 
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 has done a lot of work for me and my dad, I was happy with the quality, speed and price.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Mike Tiedemann at MCP Competition Engines. He works out of Tune Time Performance in Lakewood. He's specialized in LS engines for years and I've worked with him briefly when  he was at CarTek. Incredibly nice, knowledgeable and honest guy. He ported my LS6 heads and I will be having him do my machine work if I ever get me engine build going.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				They just machined my crank for a new motor im building. Very knowledgable 
			
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			+1 for Josh at JS Performance. He has been responsible for the entire build of my Iroc...motor, blower, trans, and most recently, the new rear. Even though he is 75 miles from where I live, it is worth it! Josh is very knowledgeable/capable in all areas. I am now working on getting my 83 Caprice back in roadworthy shape, and that car is also being done by JS. 2 thumbs up!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Thanks everybody, a lot of great info. 
Just as a heads up the Haledon Auto Machine shop told me that they do not have the right equipment to work on LS engines.  
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