What would you guys do (car wise)?

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Because I dont want one, I was just adding that ford needing a blower to hang is BS. Mach's have hit 13.0-1's stock, if thats not LS1 territory then im not sure what is.

I have seen a number of Mach 1's make passes at the track and none of them have come close to that number. Most that I've seen hit around 13.7x's or so. Now I'm not disagreeing that there are probably a few that run those numbers stock, but that's like saying every LS1 car can run 12.9x's stock since a few have done so. And by stock I'm not talking cold air or exhaust. I'm talking paper filter stock.

I don't think Ford needs a blower to hang stock but they certainly do have a tougher time.

[procamaroz28]

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

but that's like saying every LS1 car can run 12.9x's stock since a few have done so. .

No its not, and im talking paper filter also... If you see a 5spd mach running slower then a 13.5 then that driver needs some practice. The auto's are hitting 13.7-8's stock. They run almost identical times to Ls1's, they just trap a few mph's less.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

If you are referring to me, I am not underestimating stangs. I was talking unmodified.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

2v's are a different story, now they stink . They(99-04's) need all the bolt ons, tires and maybe cams sometimes to hit 12's...Only problem is there barely getting over a 100 mph doing it.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

2v's are a different story, now they stink . They(99-04's) need all the bolt ons, tires and maybe cams sometimes to hit 12's...Only problem is there barely getting over a 100 mph doing it.

so only the supercharged ones are good?
and those are the ones that can run with the stock LS1's?

[procamaroz28]

that isn't cammed beieve me 100mph.. no prob

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by Knipps

so only the supercharged ones are good?
and those are the ones that can run with the stock LS1's?

Mach 1's are 320 dohc na motors, They run w/ stock LS1's. The blown 03/04 underated 390 hp (most put high 360's-370's to the wheels)Cobra should run mid 12's stock w/ a good driver.

procamaroz28 a full bolt on 2v GT only puts down 260-70 hp, even w/ the cams most only hit 290's. Some cams cars have trouble seeing 105. Your uncle must be a good driver im surprised he's seeing those times w/ 373's.

[SpeedMetalT/A]

The only mustangs I've seen staying with LS1's are cobra's, and that's not really anything worth talking about since they have a supercharger.I've seen a few Mach 1's that are bone stock run at e-town and the best I've seen is a stick car running a 13.8.

[procamaroz28]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Mach 1's are 320 dohc na motors, They run w/ stock LS1's. The blown 03/04 underated 390 hp (most put high 360's-370's to the wheels)Cobra should run mid 12's stock w/ a good driver.

procamaroz28 a full bolt on 2v GT only puts down 260-70 hp, even w/ the cams most only hit 290's. Some cams cars have trouble seeing 105. Your uncle must be a good driver im surprised he's seeing those times w/ 373's.

forgot to mention tune, 260-70 sounds more like stock full SLP bolt on i mean everything SLP has for that car pullies, LT headers x pipe ... and also he got intake manifold, TB, and plenum i can try to post a vid of his run i have it on a disc

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

forgot to mention tune, 260-70 sounds more like stock full SLP bolt on i mean everything SLP has for that car pullies, LT headers x pipe ... and also he got intake manifold, TB, and plenum i can try to post a vid of his run i have it on a disc

Yeap, I know what you meant, all that stuff still only puts them maybe in the 270's. Cool, Id love to see the run thx.

[procamaroz28]

dyno is alot more than that, those modular motors are way way under tuned from factory even the terminators, and the new shelby

[firehawk1120]

Originally Posted by Batman

Riiiiight, maybe at cecil with a good tail wind or if you gut it, unless you are talking like a 4000 stall and 4.56 gears.



If money is an issue go LT1, you can build good stuff cheaper. LS1 I think is a better engine but everything costs a fortune for it.

UM, my 02 with just a convertor and slp exhaust went 12.2. 3.23 gears and it's an auto with a 3600 TC. SO, Yeah it is possible.

[firehawk1120]

As far as my comment I stand by it 100% stock for stock Stangs did not run with LS1's. Now if your talking an 07 Stang vs. an 02 LS1 I don't know I've never run one and haven't been to the track in like 3 years so I don't know their numbers. I just know that I've never run a stang without a supercharger that had the cajhones to stick with me.

Not saying I'm the fastest thing on earth either I know there are stangs out there worked and super sick crazy fast, but it's not the norm.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

As far as my comment I stand by it 100% stock for stock Stangs did not run with LS1's. Now if your talking an 07 Stang vs. an 02 LS1 I don't know I've never run one and haven't been to the track in like 3 years so I don't know their numbers. I just know that I've never run a stang without a supercharger that had the cajhones to stick with me.

Not saying I'm the fastest thing on earth either I know there are stangs out there worked and super sick crazy fast, but it's not the norm.

Well if its been 3 or so years more then likely you didnt race a Mach 1. The engine is basically a 99/01 DOHC w/ a few improvements and the Mach has better gearing. 99/01 Cobra's w/ a good driver arent that far off from a LS1 either...As far as the new 3v GT, they can run w/ LS1's but because of their electronic nanny (drive by wire)they usually need a CAI & tune. Thats pretty much the first mod you do to those cars.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Wow...this went from LT1 or LS1 to Mustangs....*YUCK*

Back on topic?

I say go for the LS1 M6 At first I wanted an LS1 auto- but I ended up getting an M6...after taking it down to the track...I am SOOOOO glad I got the M6 and not the auto. Good luck with whatever you end up with.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by 1_Hot_SOM_WS6

Wow...this went from LT1 or LS1 to Mustangs....*YUCK*

Back on topic?

I say go for the LS1 M6 At first I wanted an LS1 auto- but I ended up getting an M6...after taking it down to the track...I am SOOOOO glad I got the M6 and not the auto. Good luck with whatever you end up with.

Your right..anyhoo . Yea Im definately going w/ the 6spd. I thought maybe it would be fun to pick up a Lt1 and have more money to throw at it, seems like it would be just a pita and get expensive in the end seeing im not a mechanic. I like the idea of possibly hitting 11's w/ gears and bolt ons anyway

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Your right..anyhoo . Yea Im definately going w/ the 6spd. I thought maybe it would be fun to pick up a Lt1 and have more money to throw at it, seems like it would be just a pita and get expensive in the end seeing im not a mechanic. I like the idea of possibly hitting 11's w/ gears and bolt ons anyway

11s with gears and bolt ons is doable with a LT1. car would need to go on a serious diet tho lol

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by 86Formula

11s with gears and bolt ons is doable with a LT1. car would need to go on a serious diet tho lol

Yea thats pushing it...maybe without the shell

[procamaroz28]

here he got it on you tube but its not doing any good b/c you cant see the time at end 1st run was 13.2 then 12.9 then 12.7 was best this wasnt 1 night and this run is of my uncles 04 gt full slp bolt ons tune and dr
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2hiR7TVNfc

[j0n]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

I had 2 LT1's both auto, and its a very rare occasion that a bolt on LT1 will hit mid 12's or better...more like low 13's. Your times certainly arent the norm.

my 3700lb convertible went 12.700 with exhaust, gears, and a mail-order tune on bald 3 year old drag radials...

[Mike]

lots of false information in this thread.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

and my bolt on ls1 is almost a second faster, whats your point

[procamaroz28]

read the part of the thread you werent here for!

[98tadriver]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

LS1, bolt ons, tc and a 12 bolt and your at your goal of low 12's high 11's

or a 6spd like me and hit low 12s, and soon to be high 11s stock internals untuned.

and as far as the terminators go, they could hit high 12s stock with a darn good driver. even with their bolt ons and all, theyd need a good driver. (sorry to bring up mustangs again kelsey lol!)