So this could be our savior to save us from George Bush?

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by JohnG

why not ?

EVERY.

SINGLE.

THING.

we need, as Americans, can be found or made, within the 50 states.


the world needs us more than we need them.

i don't really care to read all the bickering going on in this thread
but good luck with that pal, do you realize how much we import each day from all over the world? how much it would cost to produce everything here?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by JohnG

why not ?

EVERY.

SINGLE.

THING.

we need, as Americans, can be found or made, within the 50 states.


the world needs us more than we need them.

Are you willing to pay higher prices for things? Are you willing to have less choice in the products you buy? This isn't the 40's. We've outsourced so much of our industry we're at the point of no return IMO.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by JohnG

we've had 30 years to look back at Vietnam, and the answer is a resounding NO.

O RLY? Not everyone feels that way, not everyone from that era/generation feels that way.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Are you willing to pay higher prices for things? Are you willing to have less choice in the products you buy? This isn't the 40's. We've outsourced so much of our industry we're at the point of no return IMO.

Exactly. We import goods, and export jobs. It's all about the profit margin, regardless of how negitively it effects the country. Massive layoffs of US workers, and their jobs being exported overseas, only to increase profits for the company because they dont want to pay US worker saleries. My neighbor does it for a living. He works for some company that goes from corporation to corporation deciding how many and which jobs to contract externally. He actually feels good about himself too.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

John G, FTW, bringing in the 411 on Bonzo. I would continue to talk to those two, but just like all republicans, they dont listen to you, but you better listen to them cause they are always right, even when wrong

What? Bring the 411 on me? Did you read what I wrote? Don't you lump me in with right hand ramblings. I certainly did not throw you down for liking BC. I did not and have not shown support for either Bush. Sorry I don't think Clinton was the greatest guy on the planet, nor do I think GB2 has mismanaged everything. And I replied why some people think his 'affairs' had an impact on things down the road. Who won't listen?

Originally Posted by JohnG

one month, dude. one month.

No. Check out the unemployment numbers. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt I commented on ‘unemployment increasing.’ It has remained pretty steady over the past 18 or so months. According to the BLS, there has been job growth since September 2003. I’m not saying it is enough, but there has been growth. Unemployment in that time has not been low enough, but it is certainly not out of control, it is a few points above what economists argue is normal unemployment.

Originally Posted by JohnG

If the $$ saved from lower taxes gets RE-INVESTED, not SPENT

I agree. So stop spending instead of raising taxes. It’s happening right here in NJ. If NJ could figure that out maybe the population exodus being reported would stop. They are taxing us out. Rampant spending does not make my statement wrong. It makes the spending wrong.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

And my #1 complaint with billy clinton (who had his good points) was he was a pussy driven by polls

Again, I do not disagree on the Bush Administration & oil. However, a leader should make tough calls. Clinton failed to follow up on attacks on our citizens because he was more concerned with popularity then doing what was right. The Lewinski thing (again I disagreed with the whole thing; I could care less what he was doing) should not have impacted his decision to go after terrorists. But it did. After he left office, I heard him say that in intereviews.

Originally Posted by JohnG

oh yeah, all the Clinton "taxes" of 92 - 00 did was lead us to a budget SURPLUS -- a surplus that Bush II squandered in 01 by giving us all a $300 check.

sure, the $300 was nice -- but I could've lived without it. especially when I'm paying TRIPLE what I should be paying for a gallon of gasoline !!

Yeah, none of that came because of the insane stock market prices. The Fed had more to do (blame?) for that then the central government.

Typical politics and why threads like this often suck, and talking politics in general sucks. God forbid you point out positives or negatives on either side. No one is allowed to see both sides or makes points about both sides. Which is of course exactly what the politicians want – they want us to takes sides.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Exactly. We import goods, and export jobs. It's all about the profit margin, regardless of how negitively it effects the country. Massive layoffs of US workers, and their jobs being exported overseas, only to increase profits for the company because they dont want to pay US worker saleries. My neighbor does it for a living. He works for some company that goes from corporation to corporation deciding how many and which jobs to contract externally. He actually feels good about himself too.

I hate seeing our manufacturing jobs leave, I strongly feel we need to revamp that base. But a company's job is to make money, not be patriotic. Our government's job is to level the playing field, which they have not. And both administarations are to blame. Globalization is here and in theory is good for U.S. business. But the playing field has to be leveled.

[jims69camaro]

the only problem with quoting unemployment numbers is that quite a few people stay on unemployment until it runs out, and then they drop off the books. they are no longer counted as unemployed, even though they obviously are.

the people are always clamoring for a minority or a woman to run as president. not that they would ever win. the good ol' boys would take care of that, i guarantee. there have been accusations of fixing the polls in the past, imagine how creative they would get if hillary or obama got within 20% of the majority...

[johnjzjz]

I resent being called a Republican just because i do not agree with the bull the far left is feeding you and you believe -- i for one am not that Naive and here's why -- does any one remember Nixon and Kissinger -- well they were republicans and i have nothing good to say about ether one of them -- in 1973 at the Paris Peace talks Nixon / Kissinger made a deal with the then north Vietnamese, we as a country were supposed to pay WAR Reparations, a war BTW Kennedy started he was no republican -- the deal that was made -- 1/2 the prisoners were to be released the money paid ( WAR Reparations )and than the rest of the then prisoners would come home --- WELL Girls we got only the officers back -- if you have ever seen the news reals about it only the officers got off the planes --- than Nixon went on TV and said we were not paying war reparations, and what happen NEXT is not talked about on ether side of the isle, because they were both at fault, the north Vietnamese did not return a single regular GI they had held -- WE as a nation knew they were in prisons many story's and reports about it i am sure you have read about it as well -- now one can only look at it and say no GIs survived that were captured because they were sick -- OR -- they were all killed after they the north were screwed -- who's to say i don't know for sure -- but NO prisoners that were released From Vietnam were any thing but offerers -- THINK about that for just one moment --- that was the republicans who made that deal -- NOW -- go ahead give me one just one name of a regular GI who came back as a prisoner YOU CANT their are non - i am an independent and look at who can do the job -- and the Democratic party is not what it once was, it has sold out to special interest just like the the Republicans don't you agree - having said all of this --- the political tide flows in and out meaning those who are looking to run for office look at the are the favorites and jump on -- turn coats if you will -- but this election will forever carve a path to freedom or destruction as i see it -- and you must choose wisely not take what a pundit feeds you -- lots on merkey water flowing from all their mouths -- jz

[Slow 88]

Originally Posted by Batman

HELLO... she is a Democrat! That is what they do.

Hillary = the death of America

Death of America has been happening for quite a while now!!! The mighty dollar is getting weaker by the second!! Also, people seem to forget that Bush said that he will be taking oil in trade to aid the war in Iraq and NOTHING is said!!!! Now we the American people are paying for it but Americans aren't saying a word, GO FIGURE!!! But, when Clinton recieved a BJ they wanted him impeached, now that is something that did not effect ANY of us but the OIL PRICES DO!!! So, anyway death of America has ALREADY begun for some time!!!

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Slow 88

Death of America has been happening for quite a while now!!! The mighty dollar is getting weaker by the second!! Also, people seem to forget that Bush said that he will be taking oil in trade to aid the war in Iraq and NOTHING is said!!!! Now we the American people are paying for it but Americans aren't saying a word, GO FIGURE!!! But, when Clinton recieved a BJ they wanted him impeached, now that is something that did not effect ANY of us but the OIL PRICES DO!!! So, anyway death of America has ALREADY begun for some time!!!

thats another vote for BJ didnt hurt America, just its presidents image, I mean comeon, beign the prez, you think he'd of gotten something a little more....hotter, but fat chicks need loving too

[SteveR]

We criticize Clinton for getting a BJ from an ugly chick, and high five Kennedy for boning Merilyn Monroe

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by SteveR

We criticize Clinton for getting a BJ from an ugly chick, and high five Kennedy for boning Merilyn Monroe

Right.

[johnjzjz]

Originally Posted by SteveR

We criticize Clinton for getting a BJ from an ugly chick, and high five Kennedy for boning Merilyn Monroe

that did not happen till they were both dead -- their were rumors but not like Clinton - and all seem to forget he went on national TV at 8 O'Clock and pointed his finger at the TV ( and you ) and said he did not have relations with that woman M L -- its the blatant disrespect for the office of the presidency - the reason he was WAS impeached -- but both houses of gov did not have real ba$$s to follow it to the end -- jz

[Slow 88]

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

that did not happen till they were both dead -- their were rumors but not like Clinton - and all seem to forget he went on national TV at 8 O'Clock and pointed his finger at the TV ( and you ) and said he did not have relations with that woman M L -- its the blatant disrespect for the office of the presidency - the reason he was WAS impeached -- but both houses of gov did not have real ba$$s to follow it to the end -- jz

Now did that effect you personally? NOOOO!!! What he did was try to cover up for being a married scumbag like any other cheating guy does.....DENY till the end!!! BUT, Bush is in your wallet and you don't care?!?!

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

that did not happen till they were both dead -- their were rumors but not like Clinton - and all seem to forget he went on national TV at 8 O'Clock and pointed his finger at the TV ( and you ) and said he did not have relations with that woman M L -- its the blatant disrespect for the office of the presidency - the reason he was WAS impeached -- but both houses of gov did not have real ba$$s to follow it to the end -- jz

So wait what about when bush went on air and looked atteh American public and said that we have undeniable proof that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, had his who cabinet back him up, and even after we find out there arent any he still pats himself on the back with a banner that says mission accomplished......so lets see, blow job ,or 5000+deaths from falsified weapons claims, and a civil war playing out in the middle of a country we had no right to be in in the first place, hmmmm makes you wonder whats worse.

[trashman01]

Originally Posted by JohnG

sure, the $300 was nice -- but I could've lived without it. especially when I'm paying TRIPLE what I should be paying for a gallon of gasoline !!

actually we are paying less then what we should be paying for gas if u go by the rate of inflation.

[johnjzjz]

some place in the lost news you didn't read or care to Saddam gassed and killed 50,000 Kurds some say 150,000 - they were and are people of Iraq - i am led to believe - of course they were from the other side of the tracks as its put the left side of the church not the right -- so they and what happened doesn't matter ???? -- ( death gas is a WMD - BTW UN Standards as well a world law after WW1 ) and that was one of the small things that happened -- in Japan some terrorist went into their subway and gassed it i know i read that -- so its post 911 just a couple months into bushes election and the dems are fighting every appointment like its the very last thing they will ever do ( just take this one example nothing else its not enough ?????? ) and we know he did that to the Kurds and now their are people running around doing things like this ( 3 to 4 million people use the NYC subway every day ) ( catch 22 your idea do nothing because nothing has happened - me not that naive realize the NSA CIA FBI and others have been involved in stopping 100s if not thousands of attacks on US soil now go on and say you don't believe it because its not on the news = = national security issue dude == your take is ????????????? i have no idea and their were no WMDs -- some believe me included that anything that could have gotten him in trouble was sent to Syria he thought we would just look -- and in case you are not paying attention again to whats going on turkey and Pakistan are carving pieces for them selves as we speak -- if the US backed government falls in Pakistan all hell is going to break loose -- its a world today that the USA cant sit buy and just watch -- they don't teach History anymore its not politically correct but it does repeat it self and Hitler buy any other name is who we are fighting to save your kids lives -- boy i hope some day you get it -- jz

[Slow 88]

Did Saddam try to gas us??? NOOOO!!!! So, why does the American people have to take him out of power and take care of the citizens who DOES not want US there and just keep killing our Soldiers left and right with car bombs!!!!! TELL ME WHY THIS IS!!!?????????

[johnjzjz]

go watch another Michael Moree movie -- your lost -- 911 was an attack but your on Rosie's side bush and the inside job -- just like the other guy on here the cops are killing the homeless for Rudy -- i have come to the part - its a waste of time to continue a one way debate --- jz

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

some place in the lost news you didn't read or care to Saddam gassed and killed 50,000 Kurds some say 150,000 - they were and are people of Iraq - i am led to believe - of course they were from the other side of the tracks as its put the left side of the church not the right -- so they and what happened doesn't matter ???? -- ( death gas is a WMD - BTW UN Standards as well a world law after WW1

and guess who supplied him with those chemical weapons. We did.

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by trashman01

actually we are paying less then what we should be paying for gas if u go by the rate of inflation.

we should be paying no more than $1.50 / gallon for regular...

the price is being run up by speculative traders, looking to hedge their other stock market losses...

cheap gasoline is your birthright as an American citizen.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by JohnG

cheap gasoline is your birthright as an American citizen.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by JohnG

we should be paying no more than $1.50 / gallon for regular...

the price is being run up by speculative traders, looking to hedge their other stock market losses...

cheap gasoline is your birthright as an American citizen.

have you even looked at the price of gas across the globe?
nevermind per gallon, countries are paying more than we do per LITER

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Knipps

have you even looked at the price of gas across the globe?
nevermind per gallon, countries are paying more than we do per LITER

Nevermind that oil prices are being driven by china's inquenchable thirst for oil Gas prices were lower this summer due to overstock (damn that supply & demand).

[Slow 88]

Originally Posted by Knipps

have you even looked at the price of gas across the globe?
nevermind per gallon, countries are paying more than we do per LITER

The reason why other countries pay more is for the fact that they some of the monies goes towards their health care and such..