New Cam-only LS1 record - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

Little G · 04-25-2005, 08:01 AM

Check it out over at LS1tech. Â*Magnus and 01-Z both ran 10.295 @ 128.48. Â*That's right! Â*The exact same ET and mph. Â*I can't wait to see what these cars do in the fall. This cam-only thing is getting pretty competitive. Hmm... Does Little G have to choke a bitch?

12secondv6 · 04-25-2005, 08:05 AM

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Reading now?!?!?!?! Â*WOW!

Ok, read both...... Dayyyyyyyyum!!!!

Keith:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311538

Juggernaut:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311401

Amazing!

kamikaz · 04-25-2005, 05:07 PM

Any of you guys got anymore details on the cars?as far as rearends,weight reduction and stuff like that..there has to be more mods than just cam.

Later,

Santos

foff667 · 04-25-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kamikaz

Any of you guys got anymore details on the cars?as far as rearends,weight reduction and stuff like that..there has to be more mods than just cam.

Later,

Santos

its cam only meaning they didnt do heads...both are stripped out auto's with big stall converter, tall(numerically) gears, lots of tuning.

kamikaz · 04-25-2005, 06:39 PM

Exhaust,mass air,roller rockers 4spd trans or 3spd trans.
just curious..

Later,

Santos

12secondv6 · 04-25-2005, 07:05 PM

Keith's car has weighed as light at 2,660!!!!

Yes, 2,660!!!!!!!!

W/O driver!

kamikaz · 04-25-2005, 07:12 PM

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Keith's car has weighed as light at 2,660!!!!

Yes, 2,660!!!!!!!!

W/O driver!

****

what is that a toyota starlet.

Later,

Santos

12secondv6 · 04-25-2005, 07:14 PM

YEAH!!!!

Mine started out at 3,450.

I'm down to a BEST of 2,850!!!!

Keith OWNZZZZZ me by almost 200 pounds?!?!?!?!?!?!

foff667 · 04-25-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kamikaz

Exhaust,mass air,roller rockers 4spd trans or 3spd trans.
just curious..

Later,

Santos

i know keiths car has a SD tune in it...and there are pics of his car on the net...he ran 10.9@125ish stock internal...i would assume its a 3 speed since he's launching off a transbrake unless he swapped to a 700r4...i assume hes got rockers as well and i know on his 10.9 run it was on open headers so figure the same this time.

kamikaz · 04-25-2005, 08:40 PM

Wow,that's incredible and extreme to say the least.isnt there a class in NHRA for his type of car where they run like a stock class and he can get the recognition for his hard work?

Later,

Santos

Tru2Chevy · 04-26-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kamikaz

Exhaust,mass air,roller rockers 4spd trans or 3spd trans.
just curious..

Later,

Santos

i know keiths car has a SD tune in it...and there are pics of his car on the net...he ran 10.9@125ish stock internal...i would assume its a 3 speed since he's launching off a transbrake unless he swapped to a 700r4...i assume hes got rockers as well and i know on his 10.9 run it was on open headers so figure the same this time.

Yea, he swapped in a 350/400 trans shortly after installing the cam, IIRC.

- Justin

JL8Jeff · 04-26-2005, 11:38 AM

Cam only is a bit of a joke in describing the cars though. Yeah it's impressive what they've done with the stock short block, but there are quite a few mods besides the cam.

foff667 · 04-26-2005, 11:45 AM

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Cam only is a bit of a joke in describing the cars though. Â*Yeah it's impressive what they've done with the stock short block, but there are quite a few mods besides the cam.

yah but jeff to nearly run a 9 with stock heads, no blower, no turbo, no nitrous, stock cubes(346), stock bottom end, stock compression...i would think thats a feat in itself.

SteveR · 04-26-2005, 12:44 PM

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Cam only is a bit of a joke in describing the cars though. Â*Yeah it's impressive what they've done with the stock short block, but there are quite a few mods besides the cam.

yah but jeff to nearly run a 9 with stock heads, no blower, no turbo, no nitrous, stock cubes(346), stock bottom end, stock compression...i would think thats a feat in itself.

I agree, very impressive times for what they've done, but I agree with Jeff, they should change the name to 'short block only' because that's the only thing they haven't changed

foff667 · 04-26-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

Cam only is a bit of a joke in describing the cars though. Â*Yeah it's impressive what they've done with the stock short block, but there are quite a few mods besides the cam.

yah but jeff to nearly run a 9 with stock heads, no blower, no turbo, no nitrous, stock cubes(346), stock bottom end, stock compression...i would think thats a feat in itself.

I agree, very impressive times for what they've done, but I agree with Jeff, they should change the name to 'short block only' because that's the only thing they haven't changed Â*

well technically keith would loose that as well since his car started out as a v6...there comes a point where you just have to get down to the nitty gritty of it all...otherwise it would be fastest stock headed, stock bottom end junkyard motored, fbody, with a 12 bolt and gearing over 3.73, blah blah blah...everyone that cares about the record knows what hes running and knows how he got there. A true cam only car apparently between the two of you are with stock manifolds, catback, full interior, stock 10 bolt, stock tranny/converter....and it would probably run a mid 13 lol.

JL8Jeff · 04-26-2005, 02:43 PM

Well think about it, George Baxter was running 8's with the original LT1 block in his car. But that is completely deceiving since the it had all kinds of modified parts bolted to that block. Almost running in the 9's with a stock short block is impressive, but so much of the car is modified that saying cam only doesn't mean squat. What's the curb weight, what trans, what rear, what programming, what fuel system, what exhaust, etc? The LS1 heads were designed to flow better than any Chevrolet configuration ever made. So instead of saying cam only, they should say stock block and heads.

foff667 · 04-26-2005, 02:53 PM

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Well think about it, George Baxter was running 8's with the original LT1 block in his car. Â*But that is completely deceiving since the it had all kinds of modified parts bolted to that block. Â*Almost running in the 9's with a stock short block is impressive, but so much of the car is modified that saying cam only doesn't mean squat. Â*What's the curb weight, what trans, what rear, what programming, what fuel system, what exhaust, etc? Â*The LS1 heads were designed to flow better than any Chevrolet configuration ever made. Â*So instead of saying cam only, they should say stock block and heads.

and what im saying is technically he doesnt have the stock block or heads...keith had a v6 origonally...im not sure where your coming from jeff they tied for the fastest cam only, meaning the only internal engine mod was a new cam, ls1 powered car...not deceiving in any way shape or form from my standpoint and thousands of others.

JL8Jeff · 04-26-2005, 03:09 PM

I'm just saying that "cam only" sounds like there are no other mods done to the car. When in reality every piece of the car/engine/suspension is modified except the heads/block. So why not say "stock heads/block" instead of "cam only".

12secondv6 · 04-26-2005, 03:35 PM

On www.ls1tech.com when everyone refers to "cam only" there is an unstated undersstanding that there are EXTENSIVE mods complimenting these cars.

The suspension, weight reduction, tranny etc mods are understood.

kamikaz · 04-26-2005, 07:51 PM

I also agree with jeff.that's why i started asking what else was involved in running those numbers.BTW what is the fastest running cam only full weight nothing else done to the car LS1 that anybody knows of?

Later,

Santos

Ian · 04-26-2005, 09:55 PM

the reason they say "cam only" is because thats the only mod that isn't a "bolt on". They are refering to how many internal mods have been performed, and in this case it would be "cam only". does that make a little more sense?

JL8Jeff · 04-27-2005, 07:21 AM

Since I've never been to LS1tech.com until I read that thread, I had no idea what "car speak" they were using. But I guess that's easier than saying "NA with stock heads". The LS1 heads are awesome heads so it doesn't surprise me that they have the cars running that fast. It's pretty amazing both guys ran the exact same times/speed. It would be interesting to see a complete list of their mods. I watched Bryan Loo run a 10.58 with his 99 SS with a 125 shot but he has a 6 speed compared to the automatic so that's some impressive driving. Even with the 125 shot he has a lot less mods than those guys.

foff667 · 04-27-2005, 07:37 AM

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BTW what is the fastest running cam only full weight nothing else done to the car LS1 that anybody knows of?

gto?vette?fbody? stock tires? there have been vettes & fbodies in the high 12's stock everything ...i assume mid to high 12's would be about as good as it gets cam only with no tuning.

foff667 · 04-27-2005, 07:42 AM

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Since I've never been to LS1tech.com until I read that thread, I had no idea what "car speak" they were using. Â*But I guess that's easier than saying "NA with stock heads". Â*The LS1 heads are awesome heads so it doesn't surprise me that they have the cars running that fast. Â*It's pretty amazing both guys ran the exact same times/speed. Â*It would be interesting to see a complete list of their mods. Â*I watched Bryan Loo run a 10.58 with his 99 SS with a 125 shot but he has a 6 speed compared to the automatic so that's some impressive driving. Â*Even with the 125 shot he has a lot less mods than those guys.

Engine Mods
Lunati Cam 221/221 .558" 114 LSA
Cloyes Hex-A-Just Timing Set
ARE Modded Oil Pump

Induction Mods
LS6 Intake Manifold
Whisper Lid
NOS 5177 Dry Nitrous Kit Jetted for 125HP
Drivetrain Mods
3" Mark Williams Chromoly Driveshaft
Moser 9" Rear, 35 Spline Axles, 4.11 Gears with a Spool
RAM Clutch 402pp 6130disk 1550flywheel
Pro 5.0 Shifter
Exhaust Mods
Mac Headers
Custom Mufflex Y-pipe w/ 3" Carsound Cats

Suspension / Chassis Mods
Steve Spohn Torque Arm
Steve Spohn Lower Control Arm Relocation Brackets
Global West Subframe Connectors
Hotchkis Lower Control Arms and Panhard Bar
Custom 6pt Chromoly Roll Bar by Matt Antonelli
Brake Mods
Lots o' Grindin'
Wheels / Tires Mods
Centerline Autodrags 15x9R 15-3.5F
Hoosier 27x11.5-15 Quick Time Pro DOT Slicks
Hoosier Drag Fronts
Other Mods
Vortech T-Rex Inline Fuel Pump
SVO 36lb Injectors

dunno seems like an extensive mods list to me

JL8Jeff · 04-27-2005, 08:01 AM

Is this "cam only" ET record an actual NHRA or IHRA racing class? Just curious because I have never heard of it before.