Camaro Announcement Coming Thursday

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...971#post708971

[enRo]

Cool. Now the question is ... it says "A V6 and two V8's" ... does this mean LS2/LS7 ?! If so, Im gonna kick my car goobye once the new camaros come out!

[NJSPEEDER]

i am willing to bet they will offer the 5.3 as the base V8 and have the mighty LS2 be an option.

[WayFast84]

Does any one know if the camaro that was at the auto show was an ss or z or a rs???





Dear santa,

For christmas I want a new camaro with a ls7 and a t56. I would also like my drivers liscence, free gas for life and cheap insurance.

Thanks,
Matt

[NJSPEEDER]

the trim on the car at the auto shows only refered to it being a camaro. concept vehicles do not normally denote any particular trim level or promise of parts. only a look and a general idea of what could hit the production line.

[WayFast84]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

the trim on the car at the auto shows only refered to it being a camaro. concept vehicles do not normally denote any particular trim level or promise of parts. only a look and a general idea of what could hit the production line.

So that means if it does hit the production lines, it could mean different hoods,wheels, fenders and tail lights right?

[NJSPEEDER]

prety much. we already know that the exhuast coming through the bumper like the concept car won't happen, and there was always talk of the hood changing. i hope they leave the tail lights alone though.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

i am willing to bet they will offer the 5.3 as the base V8 and have the mighty LS2 be an option.

how much are you willing to bet? i'm goin with LS2 and LS9 (blown 6.2), the latter to be offered a couple months later as a big dollar option to cockslap the gt500.

[BigAls87Z28]

There is no trim level on the concept, but there are clay models with Z28 badging on them. There is too big of a fight between enthusiasts on which trim level is really the ultimate trim level, Z28 or SS.
As for 3 engines, think of it this way.
Its MY2007 and the Toyota Camry has a 270hp V6, the new Saturn Aura has a 255hp V6, the Honda Accord has a 250hp V6, Toyota Avalon has a 280hp V6, not to mention the Nissan 350Z has a 300hp V6. Next year, the Mustang will get the brand new 3.5 Duratec V6 said to make between 250 to 280hp.
Do not expect anything less then 250hp either out of a cheaply produced 3.9 OHV engine with VVT, or maybe moving the whole segment and having the V6 Camaro come in at 300hp with the new 3.6 with direct injection that will debut in the CTS in Jan. At 300hp, that gives the Camaro an awewsome performance jump, and would be priced right around Mustang GT. This would also undercut the 350Z's price with the same type of set up. This could finaly give V6 owners a sporty car to play with, instead of feeling like they had to settle for the V6 model. The V6 model is very important to Camaro's future.
As for the 2 V8's, it seems as if the LS2 will be gone by 2008, and incomes the LS3, a 6.2 V8 making anywhere from 400hp to 475hp. This is said to be the top of the line engine for Camaro, and a 350-370hp 5.3 will be put into production. I have to look into that more, but I would assume that the 5.3 going that much higher in performance would not leave a lot to be done as they would be maxed out. A detuned 6.0 motor is used in Austraila that makes 365hp or around there. That could leave a LOT of room for mods and make LS2 power in no time. Only problem is that this 6.0 might not feel that responsive compared to, lets say, a 350hp LS1. A benfit of the detuned motor would be running on regular gas with a lower compression ratio along, and less fuel to be used, which could all increase gas-friendlieness.
Im not worried about the V8 models, its what they do with teh V6 that I am really interested in.

[NJSPEEDER]

isn't the australian version of the 6liter the engine that has all of GM's variable displacement designed into it?
i seem to remember something about it being a cyl cut engine at cruising loads.

[qwikz28]

so ford gets a 500hp blown 5.4, and we get a 6.2 that will be lucky if its rated at 450?

[waterboy] damnit! we suck again! [/waterboy]

[NJSPEEDER]

watch out when ford claims an HP number. their cars never measure up to the claims their marketing department makes.
there was an article in hot rod a few years ago i shoudl try to dig up. they did dyno pulls on a bunch of production performance cars and compared the numbers at the wheels to the numbers advertised. GM was the closest, the dodges were right behind, and the fords were way the hell off.

[BigAls87Z28]

All the Gen IV engines have AFM designed in them. The LS2 is the only engine that did not get it because Team Vette dont play that ****.
All other Gen IV's have AFM as seen in the new GMT-900 SUV's and Pick Ups. They are also designed with Variable Valve Timing, another big addition that we will see with the LS3.
The 6.2 is a hybrid motor. Its Gen IV Version 2.0 you could say. The advancements from the LS1 to LS6 netted the LS2. The Advancements from the LS2 to the LS7, nets us the L92/LS3 engine. The L92 heads are similar in design to the LS7's, minus the sodium filled valves, CNC porting, etc, but the intake port design and semi-big block style valves along with the flow capacity is about there. GM has recently started selling the L92 castings assembled for pretty cheap. The L92 in the GMT-900's has VVT and AFM, and makes 403hp in the Caddy Escalade and the GMC Denali's. And thats a truck motor. Imagine if someone with performance came in and played with it...well....you get the LS3.
Additional info. the 6.2 was the original displacement for the LS7. Team Vette was aiming for 500hp, but couldnt quite reach it, somewhere in the 480ish range. Then then moved displacement to 7.0, and they blew past that number and into the 500's, and still keeping it 26mpg highway.

[BigAls87Z28]

Eh,the 5.4SC motor that is in the GT and GT500 have proven themselves to be at or above the number Ford prints. Problem is that with Chevy, they have several other performance cars. If you were to look at it now, including the Camaro, You would have a 205hp Cobalt SS, a 300hp Monte Carlo SS, a 400ish hp Camaro, and a 505hp Corvette.
Ford. They have a 500hp Mustang and thats it. The Ford GT is over with production. So the Mustang must be a lot of different cars for different segments, and Ford has a bit more free range to go after the Corvette. I personaly dont think that Chevy should make a GT500 fighter. Yeah, it would be good for bragging rights, but they should focus on the Camaro itself, not this top dog shoot out. GT500 is going after the Z06, and it fails to meet the Z51 standards.

[WayFast84]

How about we just bore and stroke an lg4 cam it and port the heads wed kill the fords!!!!!!!

So once again when the camaro comes back fords gonna get off their ass and actually create hp?

they suck with hp(300) and now that the camaro is coming back out their gonna have 500??!! thats ********, I say we get a ls2 bigger cam different heads and go after them na o wait lets just use the ls7

[NJSPEEDER]

the thing that cracks me up about ford's big HP motors is that they all end up in limited production vehicles. GM is willing to make as many as get ordered.

[Ian]

that and ford always resorts to using forced induction to get the big HP numbers

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Ian

that and ford always resorts to using forced induction to get the big HP numbers

and whats wrong with that? Boost > N/A

[ins0mnia24]

A friend of mine saw the running concept car at the Fbody gathering in Atlanta last May
He told me that the engine in it was a 6.2 Liter 396 i think he said?? Engine.
What are the chance's we could get this 470ish h.p. engine like BigAl mention's??

Also what about the chance's of How GM performance offer's aftermarket upgrade stage's like pulleys and injectors for the cobalt ect... Why couldn't they do that kind of support for the Camaro?
Or any kind of performance support from GM

A guy i work with just bought a Mustang GT before he brought it home he was able to get it upgraded at the dealer with Ford performance headers, stainless exhaust, Roush Intake and a bigger Ford performance T.b. and all of covered under the original warranty .. I just thought that kind of support was pretty cool though i'm sure he got killed with pricing.. But it had me thinking why couldnt GM do something like that

[Tsar]

why? i think its the same reason they made that stupid optispark and placed it under the water pump...cuz they're retarded!

[NJSPEEDER]

GM has done parts counter upgrades in the past. many of the cobalt and ion redline upgrades included.
when you get a factory or dealership upgraded vehicle you really have to watch out. chysler corp f'ed over bunches of SRT-4 guys by offering stage kits and installing them, then not honoring the warranty. ford dealerships have been known to do the same with SVT upgraded lightnings.
the final word on if something is warranty work or not comes down to the dealership, and unfortunately most of them seem to be turning into complete dickbags about it.

[enRo]

Originally Posted by Ian

that and ford always resorts to using forced induction to get the big HP numbers

Ford again FTL

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyKane

Ford again FTL

cars that come boosted from the factory are easier to make faster then N/As (doh ) look at poopras, cobras, evos, stis, dsms - all can be made alot faster for pretty cheap when compared to N/A cars. any car that comes with a snail or s/c from the factory gets +1 from me.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by ins0mnia24

A friend of mine saw the running concept car at the Fbody gathering in Atlanta last May
He told me that the engine in it was a 6.2 Liter 396 i think he said?? Engine.
What are the chance's we could get this 470ish h.p. engine like BigAl mention's??

Also what about the chance's of How GM performance offer's aftermarket upgrade stage's like pulleys and injectors for the cobalt ect... Why couldn't they do that kind of support for the Camaro?
Or any kind of performance support from GM

A guy i work with just bought a Mustang GT before he brought it home he was able to get it upgraded at the dealer with Ford performance headers, stainless exhaust, Roush Intake and a bigger Ford performance T.b. and all of covered under the original warranty .. I just thought that kind of support was pretty cool though i'm sure he got killed with pricing.. But it had me thinking why couldnt GM do something like that

The concept had the LS2 in it making 400hp. The 6.2 is a most deffinate for the Camaro. It depends how much power its going to make. Could be 450hp, could be more, could be less.
As for stage kits, I think its possible that Chevy could offer something for dealer installed aftermarket parts. Most dealers will do that already, depending on the market. That is acutaly how SLP got started. You used to be able to order SLP parts that would be added to your car, and you could just add it to your financing. Ian's old 87 or 88 GTA had a lot of SLP options from the dealer. And lets not forget the special dealers that have helped boost Camaro's performance in the past, Yenko anyone? Nickey, Baldwin-Motion, Berger, all names of dealers that helped up your performance. I dunno if I would want a Pine Belt Camaro....but I could see some factory stuff. They are doing it with the Cobalt SS SC and they offer performance exhaust for a lot of there vehicles, mostly Corsa as Corsa is a GM company.

[Savage_Messiah]