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06-10-2009, 09:24 AM
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GM gets one last low blow at Pontiac
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06-10-2009, 09:28 AM
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Why bother?
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06-10-2009, 09:38 AM
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06-10-2009, 09:43 AM
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Damnit. I thought maybe Pontiac would have came out with a special edition G8 or something with an LS7 in it to go out with a big bang!
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06-10-2009, 10:25 AM
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Yeah that would have been sweet if they would have put an LS7 in a G8
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06-10-2009, 10:28 AM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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I don't give a **** what they do as long as they get to keep the lights on at GM
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06-10-2009, 10:49 AM
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forget the ls7, i want the g8 they put the lsx454 in
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06-10-2009, 10:56 AM
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I'm so glad I was able to get a Sol when I did.
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06-10-2009, 11:14 AM
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How the F^@# is GM going to BUILD EXCITEMENT with a Pontiac Vibe?.....
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06-10-2009, 11:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I don't give a **** what they do as long as they get to keep the lights on at GM
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+1..
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06-10-2009, 12:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I don't give a **** what they do as long as they get to keep the lights on at GM
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How about the dealers they're ROYALLY ****ing over and forcing the "good" ones to sign ridiculous contracts.
Yay for government intervention. I hope the company crumbles and takes every tax payer dollar with them.
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06-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty
How about the dealers they're ROYALLY ****ing over and forcing the "good" ones to sign ridiculous contracts.
Yay for government intervention. I hope the company crumbles and takes every tax payer dollar with them.
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You make it sound like GM dealers are the only guys who have ever been ****ed hard in business. I'm very, very sorry to hear about the honest people who have lost their jobs but this type of thing happens every day in other industries.
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06-10-2009, 12:37 PM
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Yup, it does happen every day...however GM using the whole "gun to the head" tactics for the good dealers is ridiculous. It's basically an open ended contract on GM's side so they can change it whenever they want. Sorry but that's BS. There's also a no discussion clause, dealers can't talk to the media about it...I guess that's why the 2 sites that ran the story no longer have it up....interesting...what is GM so afraid of?
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06-10-2009, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty
Yup, it does happen every day...however GM using the whole "gun to the head" tactics for the good dealers is ridiculous. It's basically an open ended contract on GM's side so they can change it whenever they want. Sorry but that's BS. There's also a no discussion clause, dealers can't talk to the media about it...I guess that's why the 2 sites that ran the story no longer have it up....interesting...what is GM so afraid of?
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Bad PR. Public image is everything for them now. If they get a worse rep than they already have they will be done for real.
I've signed documents for companies that forbid me to even hold casual conversation with members of the media and competitors. Not that unheard of.
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06-10-2009, 12:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty
How about the dealers they're ROYALLY ****ing over and forcing the "good" ones to sign ridiculous contracts.
Yay for government intervention. I hope the company crumbles and takes every tax payer dollar with them.
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It definitely sucks. The whole GM situation is a hard one on tousands of people... But if it wasn't for gorvernment intervetion, there would probably be NO GM at all...
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06-10-2009, 01:08 PM
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Yup...and now they're in uncharted territory RUSHING private companies through bankruptcy...but that's ok because it's for a company we like...
You guys also know the administration is picking GM's entire board right?
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06-10-2009, 01:18 PM
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Ya i heard something about that. Not sure if thats a good thing. I think in theory it could possibly be a good idea, but seeing it actually happen that way i guess we'll have to see. But overall im not to thrilled about that. As far as forcing them. I pretty torn on it. A part of me agrees with you that it was a bad idea to force them into it. I dont think a company should be forced into it. The other part of me feels it had to be done. The company was going in the wrong direction. It's hard to deny it. Of all; the company's that GM is dumping Pontiac is the hardest one to swallow. I think they could make it work but obviously thats not gonna happen. If this is what they feel they have to do then so be it. Id rather have a GM with only a few company's than no GM at all.
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06-10-2009, 01:20 PM
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The bigger picture is the the government is overstepping their power...the big picture is their power is growing in leaps and bounds.
But again, people seem to think it's ok since they're saving our beloved car company. More proof that people in this country have no spine and are nothing but sheep.(not saying you)
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06-10-2009, 03:20 PM
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I agree with Frosty's take on this.
EDIT: oh wait.....does that make me  a sheep
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06-10-2009, 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty
The bigger picture is the the government is overstepping their power...the big picture is their power is growing in leaps and bounds.
But again, people seem to think it's ok since they're saving our beloved car company. More proof that people in this country have no spine and are nothing but sheep.(not saying you)
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Yurp.
And if the public wanted nice cute cars, GM may have marketed them... heres to yuppie cars.
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06-10-2009, 05:24 PM
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Hopefully we get one of these!!!! If so the Ion is getting traded in with ever so quickness!
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06-10-2009, 05:28 PM
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Goverment wants no control over GM, but owning 60% of the company sure gives it the abiility to put people in place to get things done.
Trust me, GM's board was no great group of people. People going in there are not just random goverment officials, but high ranking officials of other companies such as AT&T and Coca Cola.
Its not that bad. President Obama does not want to control the car companies because he doesnt know how to run one.
You could right wing the crap out of it, but in the end we will have a better and stronger GM.
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06-10-2009, 06:08 PM
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Goverment wants no control over GM,
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 I'd like to think that, but I know it can;t happen.
Go see how bwaney fwanks called Fritz and 'asked' him not to close a distribution warehouse in mass.
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06-10-2009, 06:16 PM
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Time will tell.
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06-10-2009, 06:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Goverment wants no control over GM, but owning 60% of the company sure gives it the abiility to put people in place to get things done.
Trust me, GM's board was no great group of people. People going in there are not just random goverment officials, but high ranking officials of other companies such as AT&T and Coca Cola.
Its not that bad. President Obama does not want to control the car companies because he doesnt know how to run one.
You could right wing the crap out of it, but in the end we will have a better and stronger GM.
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So what flavor kool-aid is it today.
I'd like to think they won't want to run things, I really really do. This isn't a "right wing" thing, this is a common sense thing and looking at the big picture. The idea of the government taking control of a private company is FAR bigger than just GM....it's WAY bigger than just GM. Like I said, since it's a company we all love it's A-OK. Sorry but it's not.
I hope and pray I'm wrong, I'm hope Obama stays true to his word, I hope idiots like Reed, Pelosi and slobber-monster Frank keep their traps shut...I hope the ENTIRE government(right and left) leave GM alone...but think about it Al...they control 60% of the company...they basically bought GM with OUR dime...you can't possibly think they won't pull strings...it's human nature...when humans see an opportunity to gain power they seize that opportunity. They did this all while having a green plan, all while having a plan for smaller cars, more efficient cars and saving the environment. Now, I'm not going to get into the global warming/fuel efficiency and where the auto industry should go debate but what could be better here? Hmmm...I want more fuel efficient vehicles on the road, I also want to save the polar bears...wait...we now control 60% of a car company... what's the BEST way to start accomplishing my plan? I KNOW!! The car company I now own.  Again, not debating the global warming thing but if you think for one second that the administration won't push their agenda you need to take your head out of the same. I'd say the same thing if it was the right pulling the strings. This is bigger than left vs. right too. BTW, that awesome AT&T guy was also the same guy that allowed Bush and company to wire tap his own customers AFTER AT&T's lawyers said no, it's illegal. Nothing like having a puppet with power.
I see way more opportunities for failure and government power than success and prosperity. Again I hope I'm wrong but what do I know...I'm just some crazy Conservative/Libertarian
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