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It was either 83 or 84 that the Mustang had more power than the F-body. It was only one year though....
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08-07-2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy
It was either 83 or 84 that the Mustang had more power than the F-body. It was only one year though....
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 it was 84 if i remember correctly
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08-07-2006, 04:51 PM
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If the new camaro in fact comes with a 5.3 as a lesser v8 model to the LS2 ... i think the V6 would get more buys. The only ppl I see buying those 5.3's are the people who wanna drive vettes, but cant afford the extra penny, so they go around ranting that they got a V8 camaro 
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08-07-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyKane
If the new camaro in fact comes with a 5.3 as a lesser v8 model to the LS2 ... i think the V6 would get more buys. The only ppl I see buying those 5.3's are the people who wanna drive vettes, but cant afford the extra penny, so they go around ranting that they got a V8 camaro |
those people that will buy the 5.3 will be the same group of people currently buying the mustang GT. the 6.2 will cost alot alot
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08-07-2006, 07:42 PM
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The 5.3 is a great option for people who dont want a 400hp V8 engine car due to whatever reason. Enthuisasts will always buy the top performance model. Any regular person buying the top performance model bought it because they heard about how "cool" it is. The V8 segment is ruled by enthuisasts, not average people. Someone who might want a V8 Camaro, but migh tnot have the cash to spend for a 30-35kk 400ish hp Camaro, or the means to insure the thing, might get 80% of the performance and thrill out of a mid range 300-350hp V8 engine.
Look at generations past. The RS model gave you a V8 engine, and some style that made it look more like the higher end models, something with some flair. In the 4th gens, there was no mid range. It was a 200hp V6 that was in a base model interior, or you had to pop north of 27k for a 325hp V8 version. Not EVERYONE wants a 500hp Camaro.
As for the 6.2 costing a lot, yeah performance is gunna cost you!! I dunno if you checked out that sticker on the GT500, but you cant touch one with out 50 large. And it cant even out-perform a base C6 Corvette, lets not compare how it would just be slaughterd against the Z06. Hell, the Z06 beats the Ford GT, so no way in the world was that hunk of cheap **** Mustang gunna be able to keep up with the Z06.
The biggest thing Camaro has going for itself is its a better complete package. Where Ford cheaped out with solid axle and cheap interior matierals along with using a truck V6 and transmission, Camaro's base will come from the Sigma-Chassis, a very well put together fully independent suspension, equiped with higher end materials and better quality. And as for peformance, Chevy will always be there.
Now, I never said that the 6.2 will be the top. Bob Lutz himself said that if things get squirly, that the LS7 is ready to go up higher in performance, which has been seen by a handful of tuners that have tinkered with just a touch bigger cam and tuning, putting it into the 600hp range.
Could Chevy build a 500hp GT500 chaser? Im sure they could, and It would probably be faster, but why? Why chase after the Mustang that clearly is more hype then anything else? Chevy should worry about the core sales first, get things back up to speed. Then, start to really lay into the Mustang and others in the segment.
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08-07-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
In the 4th gens, there was no mid range. It was a 200hp V6 that was in a base model interior, or you had to pop north of 27k for a 325hp V8 version.
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Actually, in 2002 you could get a Z28 for right around $22,500.
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08-07-2006, 08:10 PM
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my ss cost me 28.9k, and that had 9k of options.
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08-07-2006, 08:14 PM
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Point is, there was nothing that GM offerd in the middle. But Ford id with its 260hp Mustang GT. It had enough power to move you some what, but didnt overpower the average owner.
Im not gunna get into my I-Hate-4th-Gen Rant, but there are 1000 things the 4th gen did wrong.
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08-07-2006, 09:25 PM
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The only thing the 4th gen did wrong was stop making them. They had power and style, well the Pontiacs did I thought the 4th gen Camaro was kinda bland.
The engine responds well to minor mods, and it's strong enough to handle increased power. I have no complaints about my 4th gen Hawk all for around 30K including the 6k in SLP options. Otherwise it would have been a 24k can of whoop ass on any slowstang.
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08-08-2006, 08:08 AM
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Weren't the last Formulas and the base Trans Ams both rated at 310hp? Then you had the WS6 at 325 and the Firehawk at 345. Before they started making all these 400+ hp cars, I would say that was some pretty decent variety. And you could get a Formula in the low 20s.
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08-08-2006, 03:47 PM
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Thats great, but the 4th gen no longer was a pony car, but a 4 seater sports car. The functionality of the car fell off, and it was all about big hp, and less functionality. Yes, they were great performance machines, but as something to live with daily?
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08-08-2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Thats great, but the 4th gen no longer was a pony car, but a 4 seater sports car. The functionality of the car fell off, and it was all about big hp, and less functionality. Yes, they were great performance machines, but as something to live with daily?
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i did it just fine for 4 years, only thing that sucked was getting stuck in the snow on the way to an exam
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08-09-2006, 02:08 PM
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SUCK IT fidget!
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08-10-2006, 04:04 PM
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I don't race and I don't have deep pockets for gas. If the v6 has 250-300hp, thats great in my book. Better insurance, better gas milage, good looks, good performance, and its a Camaro.  The new Camaro to me isn't an investment, its everyday fun driving.
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08-10-2006, 04:10 PM
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its thursday.... any news?
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08-10-2006, 04:49 PM
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its thursday.... any news?
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yeah their ditching the camaro for the trans am 
no seriously any news? 
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08-10-2006, 07:39 PM
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08-10-2006, 07:42 PM
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Production will start late 08, on sale early 09.
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08-10-2006, 10:45 PM
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the more i think about it, the more appealing a lower priced 5.3 V8 sounds. you think they'll give us a 1LE?
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08-11-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER
watch out when ford claims an HP number. their cars never measure up to the claims their marketing department makes.
there was an article in hot rod a few years ago i shoudl try to dig up. they did dyno pulls on a bunch of production performance cars and compared the numbers at the wheels to the numbers advertised. GM was the closest, the dodges were right behind, and the fords were way the hell off.
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just read that the LS2 was underrated because of the correction factor they use on the dynos. the actual number was higher (based on 77 degrees and 60 degrees fahrenheit). guess it all depends on what the weather is like today. most cars in our area probably run in weather most like 77 degrees than 60 degrees (i would think, anyway).
anyway, in case the update wasn't posted: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2006608110321
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08-11-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Thats great, but the 4th gen no longer was a pony car, but a 4 seater sports car. The functionality of the car fell off, and it was all about big hp, and less functionality. Yes, they were great performance machines, but as something to live with daily?
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4th gens are no problem to live wih daily....
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Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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08-11-2006, 11:13 PM
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4th gens are no problem to live wih daily....
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seems ok to me
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08-11-2006, 11:45 PM
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Its easier to drive Mustang GT then an Fbody. Better visability, quazi better ergonomics.
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08-12-2006, 03:00 AM
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ergonomics?? have you SEEN where the shifter is in any pre-05 mustang
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Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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08-12-2006, 07:54 PM
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Yes I have, but I have sat in a Mustang, and I have sat in a 4th gen. 4th gens sit waaaaay too low, the dash is at eye level, and matches the very long hood. The rear hatch glass distorts rear view vision as well as big blind spots.
This is all ok and acceptable for a sports car, not ok for someone who wants a sporty car, but not someone who wants a sporty Pony car. Thirdgen started the low seating, 4th gens made it worse with a lower raked windshield
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