Camaro Announcement Coming Thursday

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yes I have, but I have sat in a Mustang, and I have sat in a 4th gen. 4th gens sit waaaaay too low, the dash is at eye level, and matches the very long hood. The rear hatch glass distorts rear view vision as well as big blind spots.
This is all ok and acceptable for a sports car, not ok for someone who wants a sporty car, but not someone who wants a sporty Pony car. Thirdgen started the low seating, 4th gens made it worse with a lower raked windshield

i like the low seating thing, if it wasnt for that i would feel like i was driving an SUV. as far as blind spots go...ehh u get used to them, you can always turn your head and look.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Tsar

i like the low seating thing, if it wasnt for that i would feel like i was driving an SUV. as far as blind spots go...ehh u get used to them, you can always turn your head and look.

It is the too low, waaaaayyy too big doors, dopey hatch window and too long nose that turned off most female buyers. GM effectively killed 1/2 the target market. That is one big reason why otherwise lesser Mustangs outsold 4th gens, and never stopped being made.

This would sit well with me:

*Base V6 + A4/M5, live axle, available 5.3L + a6/m6; 16"std/17" opt wheels
*SS gets LSx & live axle a6/m6. Big brakes , 17" std/18" optional
*Z28 gets LSx and IRS. m6 only. Big brakes, 18" hoops std.
*HYBRID OPTION!!!!!! Snap!

They can screw around with RS options too, if they must. That should have nothing to do with engine/trans - RS = trim option. Stripper available on request (no AC, PL, PW, radio, etc).

Any word on a rag top? Or dumb old t-tops?

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

It is the too low, waaaaayyy too big doors, dopey hatch window and too long nose that turned off most female buyers. GM effectively killed 1/2 the target market. That is one big reason why otherwise lesser Mustangs outsold 4th gens, and never stopped being made.

This would sit well with me:

*Base V6 + A4/M5, live axle, available 5.3L + a6/m6; 16"std/17" opt wheels
*SS gets LSx & live axle a6/m6. Big brakes , 17" std/18" optional
*Z28 gets LSx and IRS. m6 only. Big brakes, 18" hoops std.
*HYBRID OPTION!!!!!! Snap!

They can screw around with RS options too, if they must. That should have nothing to do with engine/trans - RS = trim option. Stripper available on request (no AC, PL, PW, radio, etc).

Any word on a rag top? Or dumb old t-tops?

im with you 100%... only i'm all t-topped out. i want a ragtop

[BigAls87Z28]

All cars will come with either a 5spd or 6spd auto, and all with a 6spd manual.
All cars will have IRS. Too expensive to build in a live rear axle set up off a chassis designed for IRS.
I highly doubt that there will be a stripper option with no power windows, locks, ac as this will be engineerd into the car prior because the Camaro will share the chassis and subcomponents. It would cost more to engineer manual windows and door locks, as well as a cut off system for the AC into the car.
The ttop question was the first to come up at Detroit, and when we saw the roof top, we said it lookd very similar to the Corvette. If its very narrow in profile, It could be just a targa top style roof. What I brought up to one guy is that maybe the back seat can fold down and the top could latch into the back seat, like the Avalanch has with the window that pops into the seats. I just dont know if the back seat is big enough for the roof pannel.

[BonzoHansen]

I am under the impression the IRS is a 'bolt-in' sub-assembly. If so, they could do a bolt in live axle setup, which would be cheaper to build than the IRS. I won't believe they can do an IRS and complete on a cost basis until I see it with my own eyes.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I am under the impression the IRS is a 'bolt-in' sub-assembly. If so, they could do a bolt in live axle setup, which would be cheaper to build than the IRS. I won't believe they can do an IRS and complete on a cost basis until I see it with my own eyes.

thunder racing did a live rear with the CTS-V... its only time that someone does it with camaro. rag-top is a definate right?

[BigAls87Z28]

Then can because evey car off that chassis will have it. Economies of scale FTW. It would be more expensive to design, engineer, test, and certify a "bolt in" rear end that GM has to green light and warranty 100%, which would only make it more expensive.
Ford, on the otherhand, took an already paid for chassis, and ripped it apart, stripping everything. The cost savings per car for teh Mustang is about 300 dollars. The Camaro will come in at the right price point. Look at the LX cars. Full independent suspension front and rear, V6 and V8 engines, high tech gadgets....and they start at 23k.
It can be done, adn will be.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

thunder racing did a live rear with the CTS-V... its only time that someone does it with camaro. rag-top is a definate right?

Well, Madman did it, and Thunder is selling it....

And Al, going back to page 3....I have driven 4th gens and SN-95 Mustangs, and 4th FTW when it comes to ergonomics. Visibility is better (even with the top down on Kare's car), I can actually climb in and out of a 4th gen without smacking my leg on the steering wheel, mustang door handle is hidden behind my knee, and the lower seat bolsters in the Mustang dig into the side of my leg and are kind of a pain on long trips.

Maybe things are different for little people, but not for anyone over 6'

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

'Stangs are tight for normal sized people.

[BigAls87Z28]

Im 6'1, and have sat in several. Ive also sat in several Fbodies, but guess who matters when it comes to the mass-produced cars.
Women. Not all women, but most girls who get them for high school and such liek the Mustang because its someone easy to drive. Fbody...its tough.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, I know. Kare fits fine in her car, and the only visibility issue she has is with the hood scoop blocking a bit of her vision over the right front. I on the otherhand, can't see crap out of her car. But she's 5'4", and I'm 6'4".....

- Justin

[NLinnear]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

thunder racing did a live rear with the CTS-V... its only time that someone does it with camaro. rag-top is a definate right?

If I am looking at the same thing, Madman and TR designed and built an IRS unit, not a solid rear.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by NLinnear

If I am looking at the same thing, Madman and TR designed and built an IRS unit, not a solid rear.

yeah... madman did the IRS unit out of a ford 9". someone else did a solid rear swap and i thought it was thunder racing but it wasnt.