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			Perhaps the b-pillar is the lightest way they can meet new rollover standard?  Maybe no pillar = heavier car.  None of us know.   
 
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			No speculation, that came from Bob Lutz's mouth.   
  
Its either no bpillar, heavier car, and more expensive to buy  
  
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Its got a hidden bpillar, its 400lbs lighter, and cheaper 
  
Both get you the same thing, which would you chose?   
Dont like it, dont buy it.  Im sure the 2 ton Challenger will have plenty for you to offer, Bpillar and all.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			thats not bad then if its targeted under 3600.  
 
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				Its either no bpillar, heavier car, and more expensive to buy  
  
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 That is what I meant.  Maybe the b-pillar thing is good for the car.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang..... 
 
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				while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang..... 
 
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			Does anyone know if they will offer T-Tops on the new car. 
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 very good idea.  personally, i don't mind a b-pillar.  except for my first gen and the '72 pontiac i used to drive, every car i have owned has had one.
 
as far as the release date, it was my understanding that they would have been able to celebrate, through marketing, of course, the fact that it was the 40th anniversary of the first gen.  if they wait until 2010, then it's 40 years after the '70 1/2 model, which pretty much took a dump when first introduced.  i'd rather not see that happen to the new camaro.
 
the tie-ins to the first gen are obvious.  for them to wait one more year just to get the workers more comfortable with their environment, i say get them started NOW.  i just can't see them releasing it in 2010 and missing the opportunity for a 40th anniversary of the first gen, since the car has the obvious styling cues of the first gen.  they could even have a special vehicle for celebratory purposes - not unlike the 30th anniversary car.
 
dunno, i guess it's just me.  yes, i want the car.  yes, i want it yesterday.  but my patience level has nothing to do with the potential marketing opportunities.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang..... 
 
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				very good idea.  personally, i don't mind a b-pillar.  except for my first gen and the '72 pontiac i used to drive, every car i have owned has had one. 
 
as far as the release date, it was my understanding that they would have been able to celebrate, through marketing, of course, the fact that it was the 40th anniversary of the first gen.  if they wait until 2010, then it's 40 years after the '70 1/2 model, which pretty much took a dump when first introduced.  i'd rather not see that happen to the new camaro. 
 
the tie-ins to the first gen are obvious.  for them to wait one more year just to get the workers more comfortable with their environment, i say get them started NOW.  i just can't see them releasing it in 2010 and missing the opportunity for a 40th anniversary of the first gen, since the car has the obvious styling cues of the first gen.  they could even have a special vehicle for celebratory purposes - not unlike the 30th anniversary car. 
 
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				while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang..... 
 
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 He is probably reading the GVWR and not the curb weight. Curb weight for a supra turbo is around 3500.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
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				He is probably reading the GVWR and not the curb weight. Curb weight for a supra turbo is around 3500. 
			
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