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It would also cost 40k....
There is also talk that the next gen C7 platform will ALSO be used to make a Kappa replacement. Since C7 is going to get much smaller and lighter, expect to see a Solstice sized C7 with a 370-400hp V8 between the fenders.
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whaaaaat, a Corvette Maita? lol
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09-08-2008, 11:12 AM
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It would also cost 40k....
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The Lotus actually only costs about 12,000£ which would be about $28,000. There is no reason the Solstice couldnt be done for the same amount. Only reason the Lotus costs so much is because of import taxes and the Toyota engine in it. The Rover engine they were originally equipped with would not pass emmissions.
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09-08-2008, 11:12 AM
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Yeah. Targets for C7 is sub 3k lbs but better power to weight ratio. Wallace, Corvette Manager wants this car light and fit. Expect to see a size and weight difference similar to what you saw from the C5 to C6. This is how GM plans to keep Corvette within CAFE's new requirements.
So all the people that liked the idea of a V8 Solstice...2012 is your year. Only its gunna have a cross flags and bowties. It will probably introduce the direct injected Gen V smallblocks unless Camaro gets it first.
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09-08-2008, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scooter
The Lotus actually only costs about 12,000£ which would be about $28,000. There is no reason the Solstice couldnt be done for the same amount. Only reason the Lotus costs so much is because of import taxes and the Toyota engine in it. The Rover engine they were originally equipped with would not pass emmissions.
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Hrm..the frame cost for the C6 Z06/ZR1 made of aluminum vs the cost of teh steel was soooo much, they outsourced it to another company to make it, and they have to keep it under a certain number or else the costs of tooling would double and the Corvette would lose all profits.
It wont happen.
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09-08-2008, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Hrm..the frame cost for the C6 Z06/ZR1 made of aluminum vs the cost of teh steel was soooo much, they outsourced it to another company to make it, and they have to keep it under a certain number or else the costs of tooling would double and the Corvette would lose all profits.
It wont happen.
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One can dream. I am only trying to compare apples here, some stuff the General is overpriced, or too complicated. I dont understand why Lotus (a small company and a low production car) can do it and one of the "Big 3" cant
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09-08-2008, 11:30 AM
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One can dream. I am only trying to compare apples here, some stuff the General is overpriced, or too complicated. I dont understand why Lotus (a small company and a low production car) can do it and one of the "Big 3" cant
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Isn't/wasn't Lotus owned by GM? I know they were bought out in the late 80s/early 90s, I thought it was GM. Not sure what the current status is though.
Lotus is fairly big in Europe. I know I've seen a good amount of them in Germany and Austria.
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09-08-2008, 01:03 PM
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Isn't/wasn't Lotus owned by GM? I know they were bought out in the late 80s/early 90s, I thought it was GM. Not sure what the current status is though.
Lotus is fairly big in Europe. I know I've seen a good amount of them in Germany and Austria.
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Not sure about the ownership by GM. I believe they own themselves now.
They may be "big" in europe but I think the production numbers are pretty low for all the models they make. It has probably gone up since the Elise is now sold in the US
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09-08-2008, 09:36 PM
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Lotus is owned by some Indonesian company now.
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09-08-2008, 09:37 PM
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fitting 
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09-08-2008, 09:42 PM
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steve...that was locust....
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09-08-2008, 09:46 PM
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I mean Buddhism is a very large religion in Indo-China and East Asia and the lotus flower plays a large part in it, so the fact that Indonesia bought the Lotus, I find quite amusing
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09-08-2008, 09:47 PM
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yea ok...that what you meant haha
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i thought the "F" was for flight or maybe even fight.
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hahah damn hormones
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H and G are interchangeable, neither platform is worth wasting internet space on.
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Excuse me sir?
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Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
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09-09-2008, 04:34 AM
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Thank you Melissa.
F is just a randon designation for the chassis that the Camaro and Firebird were built on. If you know GM history, chassis had letter designations, and that went on till about 2004 when we first saw Sigma and Epsilon. Sigma is under the CTS, STS and SRX while Epsilon is part of the new Greek naming system. Epsilon platform underpins the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, and a special Euro version is built fo rthe 9-3 and another version sits under the now dead Opel/Vauxhaul Vectra.
The old letter system was just a matter putting letters next to chassis.
A body - Chevelle, El Camino, Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/442, Skylark/GS
B body - Full size chassis, Caprice, Impala, Bonni, other large sedans
F body - Camaro and Firebird
X body - Nova and other "compacts"
G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present (Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne)
W body - Chevy Impala, Monte Carlo, LaCrosse, and former Grand Prix
Y Body - Corvette/Z06/ZR1 and XLR/XLR-V
Since im on a roll and i dont want to deal with teh 400 customers in front of me, Ill keep going.
Modern platforms are now in there second generation.
Gamma- upcoming Aveo and new Saturn Corsa
Delta- Cobalt, HHR and G5
Delta 2- new Chevy Cruze and Volt, Saturn Astra, Saab 9-3, G5 replacement, 7 seater HHR replacement.
Epsilon - listed above
Epsilon 2- Next gen Malibu, new Buick LaX, G6 replacement, next gen Saab 9-5.
Zeta/VE- Camaro, G8 V6/GT/ST/GXP
Then you have the number platforms for trucks, usually start with GMT. GMT900 is the new designation for the new trucks and suv's.
But there are also some Greek chassis for crossovers and compact SUV's.
Theta is the platform for the current Equinox, old Vue, and Pontiac Torrent
New Vue is an updated European model
Theta has jumped into 3 versions
Theta Epsilon - Vue
Theta 2 - upcoming Equinox and GMC Terrain
Theta Lux- upcoming Caddy SRX and Saab 9-4x.
Then there are the Lambda crossover vans, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.
Thaaat should cover it.
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DAMN NO LOVE FOR MY L BODY ?? BERETTA AND CORSEY'S GET NO LOVE.
THATS WHY IM BUILDING MINE 
WHAT ABOUT THE N BODIES??
the beretta never got any love. it was actually designed by the same studio as the corvette and the camaro.
when the mustang was going to be replaced by the probe, chevy designed the beretta to replace the camaro.
it never happened but both cars were still produced. the beretta quad 4 gtz has about
190hp in its best configuration ran low to mid 15s.
Leaving out the N bodies your also forgetting about the Cutlass Quad 442 w41 5 speed capable of doing mid to high 14s in stock trim.
nobody loves the gm fwd cars but me 
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Bah...you can keep your L and N bodies.....when it comes to old school FWD GM performance it's all about the turbo 3.1 W bodies 
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Silly L body lover...ill stick with reading about F-BODIES seeing as im on nj F BODY oa.org 
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Bah...you can keep your L and N bodies.....when it comes to old school FWD GM performance it's all about the turbo 3.1 W bodies
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how about a turbo 3.8 W body.....300hp 400tq with just a bolt on turbo kit
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how about a turbo 3.8 W body.....300hp 400tq with just a bolt on turbo kit
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We're talking factory here.....
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We're talking factory here.....
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ok, 3.8 turbo in the Gbody
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Thank you Melissa.
F is just a randon designation for the chassis that the Camaro and Firebird were built on. If you know GM history, chassis had letter designations, and that went on till about 2004 when we first saw Sigma and Epsilon. Sigma is under the CTS, STS and SRX while Epsilon is part of the new Greek naming system. Epsilon platform underpins the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, and a special Euro version is built fo rthe 9-3 and another version sits under the now dead Opel/Vauxhaul Vectra.
The old letter system was just a matter putting letters next to chassis.
A body - Chevelle, El Camino, Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/442, Skylark/GS
B body - Full size chassis, Caprice, Impala, Bonni, other large sedans
F body - Camaro and Firebird
X body - Nova and other "compacts"
G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present (Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne)
W body - Chevy Impala, Monte Carlo, LaCrosse, and former Grand Prix
Y Body - Corvette/Z06/ZR1 and XLR/XLR-V
Since im on a roll and i dont want to deal with teh 400 customers in front of me, Ill keep going.
Modern platforms are now in there second generation.
Gamma- upcoming Aveo and new Saturn Corsa
Delta- Cobalt, HHR and G5
Delta 2- new Chevy Cruze and Volt, Saturn Astra, Saab 9-3, G5 replacement, 7 seater HHR replacement.
Epsilon - listed above
Epsilon 2- Next gen Malibu, new Buick LaX, G6 replacement, next gen Saab 9-5.
Zeta/VE- Camaro, G8 V6/GT/ST/GXP
Then you have the number platforms for trucks, usually start with GMT. GMT900 is the new designation for the new trucks and suv's.
But there are also some Greek chassis for crossovers and compact SUV's.
Theta is the platform for the current Equinox, old Vue, and Pontiac Torrent
New Vue is an updated European model
Theta has jumped into 3 versions
Theta Epsilon - Vue
Theta 2 - upcoming Equinox and GMC Terrain
Theta Lux- upcoming Caddy SRX and Saab 9-4x.
Then there are the Lambda crossover vans, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.
Thaaat should cover it.
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Thats not the G body I was talking about.
BOF RWD G bodies are different. They could have been a lot more, but failed to the growing population of unibody FWD cars.
Thank the Taurus for the death of the RWD G body.
I forgot a lot of obscure platforms, such as the P Body, the Fiero only chassis.
I named the big ones....
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