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WildBillyT · 10-06-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

an apple a day..... didnt work did it. never bought an apple product, never will. im with the other people that say ''never met the man, never will''. care not, care less....amount of poops given? none.

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Originally Posted by maroman88

never heard of him, will never own an apple product

Again- his influence reaches throughout the entire industry, not just his own products. GUI design, user interfacing, packaging, etc. It matters not that you don't own any Apple stuff. I don't either. But I benefit from his innovation every day, and so do you.

His success and failures shaped the early computing industry. If you think his work is all iPods and white touchscreen devices with earbuds, you could not be more misguided.

And a big LO F'N L at the gripe about assembly being done overseas. If you think that's the biggest anti-American thing going on in the IT industry you are missing a ton.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-06-2011, 12:34 AM

If you like movies, Pixar and ILM have pretty much changed how movies are made. Guess who helped that along?

WayFast84 · 10-06-2011, 01:01 AM

Bill you can pm me too. Still waiting to hear from BIAl

NastyEllEssWon · 10-06-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Never heard of Steve Jobs? Really? I can see not caring about he did...actually, I can't, because you do. You do, and you don't even realize it.
But never heard of Steve Jobs? Mindblowing.

heh i only knew who he was because of the south park episode making fun of apple

maroman88 · 10-06-2011, 08:13 AM

sorry im not into and up to date on technology super heros.... ask an IT guy who jon moss and bob lutz are lol

Anti_Rice_Guy · 10-06-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

His products are double the price of products of equal quality from competition

And people still scoop them up like they're going out of style. THAT is amazing marketing and admirable business skills. The market supported it, he didn't force anyone to pay the premium. It's a free market economy, he can do whatever he pleases. And you know what, people are happy to pay the large prices for his products. Aside from his vast influence in American culture from helping create Pixar and many other companies, he had amazing IT and business skills that many other people should learn from. No man is perfect, but when someone rises to the top like that, there are so many things to learn and apply to others.

I am far from a technological guy but you have to appreciate his influence and skills from Pixar, to the computer mouse, to the ubiquitous Ipod and Iphone.

WildBillyT · 10-06-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

Bill you can pm me too. Still waiting to hear from BIAl

YGPM

band77one · 10-06-2011, 09:32 AM

Steve Jobs might be dead physically but his brain is definitely downloaded some where on a hard drive, you want life after death? Theres an app for that.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-06-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by maroman88

sorry im not into and up to date on technology super heros.... ask an IT guy who jon moss and bob lutz are lol

This guy was a bit bigger than technology. The reason you are typing on a computer in your house, and posting to something on the internet, is because of him.
And I know a LOT of car-crazy IT guys.
Jon Moss and Bob Lutz had no where near the ability to effect the world that Steve Jobs did.

91chevywt · 10-06-2011, 11:18 AM

Steve Jobs was a modern day Edison. If you don't understand the magnitude of his contributions to modern technology and society it's OK. Just keep your head in the sand.

Fast92RS · 10-06-2011, 12:30 PM

Did anyone try to reboot him that usually works for other apple products.....

Mike · 10-06-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

His success was based on harboring illegal activity. His products are double the price of products of equal quality from competition and his American company could've hired thousands more of Americans.

Srs.

funny quote from the guy who bought an american car built by canadians

PolarBear · 10-08-2011, 08:41 PM

Sorry but I have to jump in on this conversation. This whole Jobs thing really bugs me. There are WAAAAY more people that have influenced technology than Jobs IMO

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And people still scoop them up like they're going out of style. THAT is amazing marketing and admirable business skills.

This is only because people are SHEEP, a.ka. ID10T's

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

The reason you are typing on a computer in your house, and posting to something on the internet, is because of him.

No it isnt, if it wasnt Jobs SOMEONE ELSE would have brought it. I love how people say "we would not be where we are today if it were not for _____" You think ONE PERSON invented the telephone? WRONG, two people basically invented it at the same time, Bell just brought his patent in before Edison did. Jobs didnt invent the mouse and if he hadnt brought it into large scale use I would bet ANYTHING that someone else would have.
I think the Mouse is a clunky slow device and I prefer a command based OS, THey have always been better and more reliable, but people are STUPD F***s and couldnt figure out how to use them as easily.

Selling products to women and children and dumbass people is not that difficult a task.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Jon Moss and Bob Lutz had no where near the ability to effect the world that Steve Jobs did.

While it isnt the same person as quoted by maroman88, Ford REVOLUTIONIZED the world, IMO, that is more important than Jobs ever did

BigAls87Z28 · 10-08-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear

Sorry but I have to jump in on this conversation. This whole Jobs thing really bugs me. There are WAAAAY more people that have influenced technology than Jobs IMO

This is only because people are SHEEP, a.ka. ID10T's

No it isnt, if it wasnt Jobs SOMEONE ELSE would have brought it. I love how people say "we would not be where we are today if it were not for _____" You think ONE PERSON invented the telephone? WRONG, two people basically invented it at the same time, Bell just brought his patent in before Edison did. Jobs didnt invent the mouse and if he hadnt brought it into large scale use I would bet ANYTHING that someone else would have.
I think the Mouse is a clunky slow device and I prefer a command based OS, THey have always been better and more reliable, but people are STUPD F***s and couldnt figure out how to use them as easily.

Selling products to women and children and dumbass people is not that difficult a task.

While it isnt the same person as quoted by maroman88, Ford REVOLUTIONIZED the world, IMO, that is more important than Jobs ever did

I don't think someone would have done anything with it. Xerox had all that stuff sitting in a room, and it took some people like Gates and Jobs to figure out how great this would be.
To quote Ford, "If I asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse."
People didn't even understand why they would need a computer in the 1980's or why it would be useful.

Jobs did a lot. Am I a fan of Apple products? No. But without Jobs, we would be in a much different world then we are today.

PolarBear · 10-08-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

and it took some people like Gates and Jobs to figure out how great this would be.

No. But without Jobs, we would be in a much different world then we are today.

You just reinforced what I said. Gates is not Jobs, someone elase would have come up with this stuff!

BigAls87Z28 · 10-08-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear

You just reinforced what I said. Gates is not Jobs, someone elase would have come up with this stuff!

Gates and Jobs both were forward looking people, but they had two very different goals.
Jobs attention to detail is what brought Apple to where it was. He was visionary in how he put products together. Do you think that Blackberry would have developed a touch-screen smart phone? Or do you think that they would have developed an app system? Hell, no one can touch iTunes, and there are several companies that tried.
Jobs built Apple up into a personal computer company, and when he returned, he took them into a totally different direction. He totally reworked the music industry and how music was transferred and listened too.
Like I said, there were MP3 players before the iPod, there were PCs before iMacs, and there were smart phones long before iPhone. But every time an Apple product stepped into the world, it instantly made everything else out there obsolete.

Look at the failings of Zune, Blackberry Storm series, other tablets, etc etc, all were designed to compete with an Apple product, and all failed. Job's attention to detail with UI is the biggest difference. Is the iPhone4S better than the best Android phone, the Bionic? No, the Bionic blows its ****ing doors off. But iOS is much easier to grasp to the average person, and that is worth more than trying to go after a niche group.

Ford didn't invent the car, nor did he invent the assembly line. He figured out a way to make a cheap car, on an assembly line, quickly and easily so that the masses could get their hands on it.

Would someone eventually come up with it? Yeah, possibly. Would it have been as user friendly or as well built as an iPhone? Judging by the current crop of smart phones, no.

PolarBear · 10-09-2011, 10:43 AM

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Do you think that Blackberry would have developed a touch-screen smart phone?

IMO This was ineviteable as there were phones like this before teh iPhone

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Or do you think that they would have developed an app system?

Inevitable

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He totally reworked the music industry and how music was transferred and listened too.

Not really, again, you can chalk this up to stupid people

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it instantly made everything else out there obsolete.

Obsolete? Hardly. IMO Apple products are all actual CRAP, clunky anti-intuitive products. I am not saying MS is any better as I dont like them either. I actually think some of the new tablet offerings are a LOT better than iPad

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Ford didn't invent the car, nor did he invent the assembly line. He figured out a way to make a cheap car, on an assembly line, quickly and easily so that the masses could get their hands on it.

Thats my point. He didnt invent the car but he put two existing things together for the greater good. IMO Jobs did the same thing, put products together that were inevitably going to be realized by someone anyway.

sweetbmxrider · 10-09-2011, 02:53 PM

Sure, things may be inevitable but how long would it have taken? Without the man, we wouldn't be where we are with technology right now.

WildBillyT · 10-09-2011, 08:08 PM

Jobs didn't break a lot of new technological ground. He was an innovator and knew how to appeal to the masses. He did not invent the mouse. He saw it at Palo Alto and saw its potential. He did not invent the MP3 or the MP3 player- he saw a way to bring it to the masses on a grander scale. I believe he was also the one who pushed for Apples to be used in educational settings. I don't know about you but from middle school through high school all we had were Apples. He also fostered the idea of Object Oriented Programming, which is basically the gold standard in programming now.

To the point of "Apple products hit the market and made all other products obsolete", I disagree. Somewhere I have a picture of a dumpster full of year old iBooks from college. The Apple III is still a big black eye to some people there. Some of their products are runaway success stories while others are failures. And you can credit the new age robustness to AT&T if you want to dig.

Do I think some of the technologies would have been realized anyway? It depends. MP3 players existed before the Ipod and were growing in popularity. Personally I think the huge strides in flash memory were bigger factor in the iPod than pressure from Jobs. But he was the one who packaged it up in a nice little unit that was easy for non-technical people to use. There is something to be said for that. Remember Laserdiscs? Zip Disks? Never got a big push and therefore never made it.

Is he up there with Turing, Berners-Lee, Babbage, Eckert, and Mauchly? No. Hell no. They broke new ground and came up with revolutionary concepts and ideas. What Jobs did was package technology in a way that gave it a greater success rate and that in turn drove the industry. He saw potential and helped people realize it, and that is half the equation. What good is a great design or idea with no backing or marketing?

PolarBear · 10-09-2011, 10:32 PM

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I don't know about you but from middle school through high school all we had were Apples.

I did too, as I am a few years older than you

, but look where the world is now, PC driven. IMO Apple/MAC is a bad word and there are none at my place of business

This is a big part of where I am coming from that Jobs was the innovator that everyone is nut swinging about. MAC fell off the face of the planet at one point, why? They arent that good

BigAls87Z28 · 10-09-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear

I did too, as I am a few years older than you

, but look where the world is now, PC driven. IMO Apple/MAC is a bad word and there are none at my place of business

This is a big part of where I am coming from that Jobs was the innovator that everyone is nut swinging about. MAC fell off the face of the planet at one point, why? They arent that good

You realize that they fell off the face of the earth after Jobs was fired? And when he returned, Apple returned.
the PC world is still a Windows dominated landscape, but Jobs figured out a way to make computers almost obsolete with things like the iPad.

Name me 1 product in Apple's portfolio that when it hit the sales floor, didn't cause the whole industry to rethink how they run things?
Do you now how much money Apple makes on the iPad? Do you know that everyone sans maybe Samsung is losing money on their respective tablets? And all they did was make the hardware.
You cannot deny the power of Apple when it enters the arena of consumer electronics.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-09-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear

IMO This was ineviteable as there were phones like this before teh iPhone

Inevitable
Not really, again, you can chalk this up to stupid people

Obsolete? Hardly. IMO Apple products are all actual CRAP, clunky anti-intuitive products. I am not saying MS is any better as I dont like them either. I actually think some of the new tablet offerings are a LOT better than iPad
Thats my point. He didnt invent the car but he put two existing things together for the greater good. IMO Jobs did the same thing, put products together that were inevitably going to be realized by someone anyway.

iTunes is for stupid people? No, he took advantage of places like Napster and Limewire and saw what they did, but turned it around and made it legal, and allowed record labels make money on this new frontier, AND it made Apple HUGE!! Now you can downloaded movies, books, songs, just about anything off iTunes. It is the money-maker.
All Apple products are not crap, not by a long shot. iPhone has been around for 4-5 years now, and none of the phone makers can make a phone with the same level of fit and finish and design. Android has tried so hard to fight iOS, but the phone makers are still far behind in design. Maybe the next-gen Samsungs will finally supply a solid phone with a fantastic UI in ICS.

Would someone eventually put things together? Would someone eventually come up with a smart phone with a full touch screen? Would someone come up with iTunes/App Store? Could someone revolutionize the MP3 player market? Would someone have made a very easy to use tablet? Sure, it might have happened. But could ONE MAN do all these things over 10 years, and drive his company to have higher profits than the OIL INDUSTRY? No. Oh, and in the mean time, head up Pixar and ILM, two massive powerhouse FX companies for movies and oh yeah....HAVE CANCER?

Your distaste for Apple products is clouding your thoughts. Would someone have eventually gotten to the moon? Maybe. Would someone eventually discover America? Yeah. Would someone eventually figure out that the Earth is round? Sure. But it takes that first person to do it. We can always look back and say "DUH" but at the time, no one had that thought.

LTb1ow · 10-10-2011, 06:09 AM

Apple products are like toyotas, people buy them for the status of owning a "fancy", "hip", "cool" thing.

Case in point, the idiots that just keep buying the newest apple product, regardless of their current phone being perfectly fine.

sweetbmxrider · 10-10-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Apple products are like toyotas, people buy them for the status of owning a "fancy", "hip", "cool" thing.

Case in point, the idiots that just keep buying the newest apple product, regardless of their current phone being perfectly fine.

Um, what?

NastyEllEssWon · 10-10-2011, 07:43 AM

never owned anything by apple. never used itunes. never owned an iphone. dont own anything inspired by steve jobs. yes i use mouses but like it was said before he didnt invent it. steve jobs was not a ''god'' to me like he was to some people and i think if he did bring about the iphone, itunes and the like then i dislike the man even more....because those things ruined society. it sickens me to see people nose deep in their ''social media'' and even sickens me more to see young children with cell phones and ipads. good riddance.

yes i do have a qr code in my signature too. but im not above taking advantage of the sheeples curiosity