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WildBillyT · 10-13-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

this does not meet such criteria?

Not for a generation of people that were raised on the "fact" that the only good compact cars come from Asia, no.

BonzoHansen · 10-13-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Not for a generation of people that were raised on the "fact" that the only good compact cars come from Asia, no.

then you can't fight that so why spend $1 on trying to?

LTb1ow · 10-13-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

then you can't fight that so why spend $1 on trying to?

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

BonzoHansen · 10-13-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

when Americans want them. not just people on the internet.

LTb1ow · 10-13-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

when Americans want them. not just people on the internet.

This is lame.

People on the internet are sometimes right, 60% of the time.

sweetbmxrider · 10-13-2011, 05:39 PM

Pontiac could rule the small 2 door diesel market with the return of the firebird!!!1!!!11!

LTb1ow · 10-13-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

Pontiac could rule the small 2 door diesel market with the return of the firebird!!!1!!!11!

NastyEllEssWon · 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

We will have the new Colorado and Trailblazer coming.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

It's been getting praise elsewhere.

If there is one thing I learned about this place, that whatever the collective group here says, it tends to go the other way.
So if that is any indication, the Colorado should do really well. Right now, GM has no plans to bring it to the US.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Look how I am coming off? No, I know how I am coming off, it is meant to sound like that. If GM had to use this place to gauge what customer response would be for future vehicles, they would have melted down in Chapter 7.

You, sir, are way off base with your comparision to the SSR.
First off, the SSR was a halo car, a car where GM can exercise some design over function. That huge flop lasted a few years, sold what it needed to, did what it had to do, and was gone.
They aren't "testing the waters" with this truck, this is the truck that will be produced for places like Thailand, Australia, and other Far East markets. But there is a good chance that we could see this here in the US, despite the official word out of GM.

They have several designers working these cars, but yes, there is a brand language that Chevrolet wants to have. The Colorado wears it, as will most Chevy products.

Some people, yes, but the people that do need a truck usually go with a Silvy over a Colorado. There are many people that are fighting for the Americans to stay in this market, and it just won't happen. Profit margins are way higher, and production capacity at the full size plants would love to keep the doors open.
If you price out a crew cab, 4wd, long bed, 5.3 liter Colorado, you are looking deep into the 30's.

hello foot....i have a friend id like to introduce you to...his name is mouth. i guess you missed that day at the water cool then

LTb1ow · 10-13-2011, 07:19 PM

qwikz28 · 10-13-2011, 10:37 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2...ng-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

redsoxsstink · 10-13-2011, 10:45 PM

the 15-20grand range would be competitive. i think i see commercials for the fully loaded scion god edition is like 22k? to me the sonic is just an update of the terrible aveo. idk if any of you have driven a new one and compared it to the old one but the old one was crap i feel.

chevy needs something to compete with accord/civic coupes, and scions. also on a side note, just something i was thinking abt. the update of the camaro should come one the AWD cts platform

people want a car they can drive year round. yes it possible to people to drive rwd in the snow but that requires 1/2 a brain which most people dont have

maroman88 · 10-14-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2...ng-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

oh joy... were stuck with the traverse

WayFast84 · 10-14-2011, 01:34 AM

Bonzo is that gm's version of the focus or fiesta?

BigAls87Z28 · 10-14-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WiMiMc

aren't the Spark and the Sonic(starts at 13k before they killed the aveo it started at 11k) supposed to be small affordable cars?

Sonic starts at 14.5k, tops out at 19.5k. Spark will slot beneath that.

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

MY2014 with the revised Cruze. They already announced a diesel Cruze.

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2...ng-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

95% chance it will come here. It will be quite some time off, since Colorado won't start production for a bit

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hello foot....i have a friend id like to introduce you to...his name is mouth. i guess you missed that day at the water cool then

I was wrong, by my editor in chief was right. Meh, no big deal. Still shocked they are bringing it here, but due to Dodge and Ford leaving the market open, could mean big sales.

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

Bonzo is that gm's version of the focus or fiesta?

That is the Sonic, and it goes against the Fiesta, Fit, Versa, Accent, and Yaris.

Cruze goes against Focus. There are no plans for a Cruze coupe. For the life of me, they did not see the need for a Cruze coupe when developing the car. Namely because most of the Cruze's development was based in GM Korea. They are HUGE sedan fans, not big on coupes or hatches.

sweetbmxrider · 10-14-2011, 07:51 PM

Give me 4 doors any day of the week, I hate climbing into the back of coupes.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-14-2011, 08:14 PM

Coupes have their place. Not a **** will be given by the owners, they want style over function.

BTW drove the Sonic yesterday. Very good car for someone looking to downsize.

WayFast84 · 10-15-2011, 02:19 AM

How's the interior? Back when I wanted a nice little car(like my old Saturn) unchecked out the fiesta which was amazing. The only problem with it was 1 of the six cup holders was on the drivers side door and jabbed into my left quad. It pisses me of when company do something so stupid like that.

I'm also wondering do cars come with column gear shifts still? Every new car I've seen has the one in the center..

qwikz28 · 10-15-2011, 10:52 AM

Al, link us up to the full write up on the Sonic when you do. Actually, I'll ask here: how is the interior noise at highway speed? After living with the Saturn and that being my primary complaint with it, that will be a deal breaker on a new car.

LTb1ow · 10-15-2011, 12:18 PM

That is a funny looking toy car there.

Blacdout96 · 10-15-2011, 12:49 PM

May I say I do fancy the Sonic....alot. My wife wants a small compact car, and really wants a Mini. As much as I would enjoy that car, the maintenance on them would be a little out of her range given some of the parts I've sold arent cheap. However, I would like to sway her to a sonic if I could. The Yaris is ugly as sin, and even at an entry level price of 12K, I had a hell of a time selling them.

My sister has a Fit, and though there are a lot of pluses about the car, the cabin layout is a bit too much, and the second side windows is bothersom when driving. The Sonic looks great with those mean front lenses, and coming in the base market under 20K is not bad, will certainly open the market and give an alternative choice for new drivers/college kids not looking for a box on wheels or Celica wanna be. I'm just worried it has the fit n finish and road noise like an Aveo. Hopefully the ABS plastic squeeks are next to nill.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-15-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

How's the interior? Back when I wanted a nice little car(like my old Saturn) unchecked out the fiesta which was amazing. The only problem with it was 1 of the six cup holders was on the drivers side door and jabbed into my left quad. It pisses me of when company do something so stupid like that.

I'm also wondering do cars come with column gear shifts still? Every new car I've seen has the one in the center..

No more column shifters in cars. Last one was the Panther cars, and they died last month.
Interior is cool. The IP is very Motorcycle like, looks very similar to the CBR's lay out.

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

Al, link us up to the full write up on the Sonic when you do. Actually, I'll ask here: how is the interior noise at highway speed? After living with the Saturn and that being my primary complaint with it, that will be a deal breaker on a new car.

Interior noise is very quiet, probably best in class. Sonic is being built along side the Buick Verano, so it gets some of the spray insulation that is part of "Quiet Tuning". The chief engineer said it adds a bit of weight, but quiets down the car so much. Also, standard alloy wheels dropped dB levels by 3-4 compared to steelies. I will be getting one for review hopefully in a few weeks. This was a nice drive from midtown to upstate new york, back down.

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

May I say I do fancy the Sonic....alot. My wife wants a small compact car, and really wants a Mini. As much as I would enjoy that car, the maintenance on them would be a little out of her range given some of the parts I've sold arent cheap. However, I would like to sway her to a sonic if I could. The Yaris is ugly as sin, and even at an entry level price of 12K, I had a hell of a time selling them.

My sister has a Fit, and though there are a lot of pluses about the car, the cabin layout is a bit too much, and the second side windows is bothersom when driving. The Sonic looks great with those mean front lenses, and coming in the base market under 20K is not bad, will certainly open the market and give an alternative choice for new drivers/college kids not looking for a box on wheels or Celica wanna be. I'm just worried it has the fit n finish and road noise like an Aveo. Hopefully the ABS plastic squeeks are next to nill.

Fit an finish should be very good. They really focused in on Fit and Fiesta. Fit for its sales (considering it is only a hatch) and Fiesta for the fun-to-drive factor. They asked me a lot about the Accent I drove. A LOT about the Accent.

Blacdout96 · 10-15-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I will be getting one for review hopefully in a few weeks. This was a nice drive from midtown to upstate new york, back down.

I'm sure it's a bit of a stretch, but when you get that test drive,and if i was free, would you be willing to give me a ride to let me gain an opinion on it? I've been waiting since the Philly auto show for it to come to the showroom so I could test drive one.

BigAls87Z28 · 10-15-2011, 11:44 PM

Sure we could work something out. I'll let you know.

T69SS · 10-16-2011, 03:36 PM

I can see where the TrailBlazer styling is coming from... Buick Enclave 100%

BigAls87Z28 · 10-16-2011, 06:37 PM

They won't look anything alike.